Zorn On The Hot Seat

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sure, but if we did would you as a fan say "Great we just wasted $10 million on a new GM and head coach" or "Great we just invested $10 million on a new GM and head coach"

I like your plan from earlier.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

My question is...what do you do if you are Snyder?

1) Fire Zorn now, well before the bye week and promote from within (finding his successor in the offseason)

2) Stick with Zorn til about the bye week and see if the situation improves...in essence pushing off the decision

3) Come out and make a statement that Zorn is still the head coach and will be until the end of the season...

Options 1 and 3 are swift definitive moves, but I think Snyder will go for option 2

Snyder is in that situation where no matter what he decides (given his history of mismanagement), there will be many skins fans calling for his blood. If he goes with 1) it will be construed as Snyder being Snyder and unless Shanahan or someone is willing to captain this sinking ship, i don't think the move will be vindicated. Option 3) would be gutsy but I still think that many will find a way to criticize Snyder for not seeing the situation for what it is. He is in a real tough spot to say the least...Thoughts?

Or #4, make every effort to lock up Holmgren as GM now, then let him make the football decisions. If he thinks it's best for him to get back on the sideline then so be it. My guess would be Holmgren would keep Zorn in place as HC for the rest of the season and then evaluate the best course of action. Fire Blache now and promote from within, Gray or Olivadotti then make a final DC decision after the season. Cerrato can stick around with some BS title, but ultimately control would be Holmgren's.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sure, but if we did would you as a fan say "Great we just wasted $10 million on a new GM and head coach" or "Great we just invested $10 million on a new GM and head coach"

Unfortunately a coach or person who is getting paid that much is being influenced heavily by money.

We don't need another coach who is influenced by a lot of money or the luster of a head coaching job.

The next coach needs to be impervious to cash influence and value his own pride. Basically we need a coach who wants to come here to improve the team for his own pride not to pad his resume or pocketbook.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Thoughts

1. Don't know how much benefit there is to this, unless the interim coach is someone we know will be connected to the ultimate hire and can do some "advanced scouting" on his behalf.

2. The most viable scenario

3. That would be the dreaded "vote of confidence"

It's got to be number 2 I think. Here's a question for you. How much is a Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, or Holmgren worth? I just ask because I wonder if at this point people will be ok if we throw $10+ million at any of them to "right the ship"

I also think that #2 is ultimately the decision he will make...

In my opinion, one of those guys is worth $10 mill easily, considering the experience and value they would add. I won't, however, commit to when they should be paid that check b/c I honestly don't know what to think about Zorn. I'm trying really hard to take the loss with a grain of salt and not get into the typical sky is falling mentality. It's hard for me to do this when, the team itself seems to be imploding (when they start pointing fingers internally, or calling out a fan base publicly).

As far as the dollar value, I think 10 mill is a drop in the bucket that is the skins organization. If we finish say 6-10 or 7-9 and miss the playoffs (without one of them), I would wager that one of these guys would represent at least 3 wins above that next year. That turnaround plus the hype associated with adding one of those names to the organization could itself generate enough of a revenue to pay for a large chunk of that salary.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I've got the "show avatar" option unchecked so I couldn't even tell you what avatar my posts are showing right now unless I went to my profile

You have a picture of Lady Gaga in traditional Native American garments shedding a tear for the environment.

Speaking of avatars, would Sumo consider making a few Capital avatars? I say a few because then it would be the same deal with the NFL shield avatar right now, to many people using it.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

You have a picture of Lady Gaga in traditional Native American garments shedding a tear for the environment.

Speaking of avatars though would Sumo consider making a few Capital avatars? I say a few because then it would be the same deal with the NFL shield avatar right now, to many people using it.

It at least shows that we're all hanging together on the issue.

What's up with the Ravens???...there's some things one just doesn't do.

...For shame!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

It at least shows that we're all hanging together on the issue.

What's up with the Ravens???...there's some things one just doesn't do.

...For shame!

Lol, you stole my avatar. Besides I personally just don't see the Ravens as a true Redskin rival. I respect how they are run as an organization and I root for them to do well. They basically serve as my favorite AFC team. Plus the signature should serve as a hint as to part of the reason why I chose to use a Ravens avatar.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

You have a picture of Lady Gaga in traditional Native American garments shedding a tear for the environment.

Speaking of avatars, would Sumo consider making a few Capital avatars? I say a few because then it would be the same deal with the NFL shield avatar right now, to many people using it.

Oh...I thought it was this

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Lol, you stole my avatar. Besides I personally just don't see the Ravens as a true Redskin rival. I respect how they are run as an organization and I root for them to do well. They basically serve as my favorite AFC team. Plus the signature should serve as a hint as to part of the reason why I chose to use a Ravens avatar.

I'm possibly being a little dense here, my apologies. Does this mean that you are Eric DeCosta?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I'm possibly being a little dense here, my apologies. Does this mean that you are Eric DeCosta?

Ha! He wishes. Eric DeCosta is an up and coming exec in the Ravens front office, a potential future General Manager

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I'm possibly being a little dense here, my apologies. Does this mean that you are Eric DeCosta?

Lol, yeah Smootsmack is dead on. Being Eric DeCosta would be great. Don't worry about it though, it's all good. A year or two ago I probably would have asked the same thing.

From Wikipedia:
Named as one of the most powerful people in sports under the age of 35 ([2]), DeCosta has played a strong role in the drafting of Pro Bowl players like Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Jamal Lewis, Bart Scott, Le'Ron McClain along with significant contributors Tony Weaver, Mark Clayton, Haloti Ngata, Chester Taylor, Ed Hartwell, Dawan Landry, Jason Brown, Jared Gaither, Ben Grubbs, Sam Koch, and Ray Rice.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ha! He wishes. Eric DeCosta is an up and coming exec in the Ravens front office, a potential future General Manager

I'm glad to hear that. With his promotion early this year I was wondering how hard it would be to snag him from the Ravens. Now I guess the only questions that remain are:

1. Will Snyder strip Vinny of his personnel duties?

2. Would DeCosta be crazy enough to come back to the Redskins (he was originally an entry level intern in 1995)?

1995: (with Washington) Earliest NFL experience came with a training camp internship in the Redskins’ player personnel department.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Oh...I thought it was this

Well kind of. It's more like this guy. Except instead of a guy it's Lady Gaga complete with Sumo's Redskin themed frames. In all fairness though that pic (this) would make for a perfect avatar assuming someone would color it.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Or #4, make every effort to lock up Holmgren as GM now, then let him make the football decisions. If he thinks it's best for him to get back on the sideline then so be it. My guess would be Holmgren would keep Zorn in place as HC for the rest of the season and then evaluate the best course of action. Fire Blache now and promote from within, Gray or Olivadotti then make a final DC decision after the season. Cerrato can stick around with some BS title, but ultimately control would be Holmgren's.

Holmgren didn't have a whole lot of success as a GM. Obviously I'm touting Decosta now/again so in all honesty I only want Holmgren as a coach/playcaller. They do need to consider a new Defensive Coordinator. 51% on third down is pathetic especially for a defense with this level of talent.

With Cerrato I picture a Rich McKay type situation where McKay took on a more organizational role and someone else gets hired to run the show. Ironically if it went down the same way as it did in Atlanta Vinny would become President Cerrato.

[Chevy13]

When you lose 8 of the last 11 with a talented team I find it hard not to blame the coaching although it may not all be his fault you just shouldn't be losing that much with a team who has this much talent.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Green1

If we want to win now we cannot change the systems again.

NEWSFLASH: We're not going to win now.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

When Zorn gets his second head coaching gig on another team this offseason things shouldn't be so stressful for him.

I think that the Arena League is now defunct