When is Enough ,Enough?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Russia wanted to sew dischord in our political structure. They played both sides of the fence I think equally effectively. It's not really complicated they tried to mess with their enemy in any way that they could. Putin obviously is very good at that.

No ,seemed Putin wanted trump.Pretty obvious.They hacked the DNC to make Hillary look bad,they took over trump websites to all so promote anti Hillary propaganda.That makes it "pro trump" simple.

[Giantone]

The trump effect has started. Decisive wins by Dems in the Governors races in NJ and VA.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

The trump effect has started. Decisive wins by Dems in the Governors races in NJ and VA.

Neither were upsets. So fake news

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Neither were upsets. So fake news

Wrong again Chico.

Democrats sweep in Virginia, New Jersey - CNNPolitics


Trump's all in for Republican in Virginia governor race. Not so for Guadagno in N.J. | NJ.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d889e7f4a552

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Neither were upsets. So fake news

Exactly. But the media lemmings are doing their best to obscure that fact. See G1's post for a prime example.

[CRedskinsRule]

So are you saying that there are not any regulations that exist that can be pruned out?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So are you saying that there are not any regulations that exist that can be pruned out?

You are the one that named "thousands" please go ahead.

[MTK]

Upsets or not it’s still relevant news.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Upsets or not it’s still relevant news.

not really, from a federal point of view or statewide for either NJ or VA. It really isn't...huge news if either would have gone for a GOP nominee.

Northam is a moderate of moderates...he had to switch positions to win.

But a win is a win.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

Upsets or not it’s still relevant news.

.........and definitely "not fake".

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

.........and definitely "not fake".

It's fake if it is given as some sort of proof that the electorate is turning or starkly different then last year.

If you want to argue about the term fake, then let's say the tenor of the opinion pieces is another reason why many, including me, see an immense bias in the media.

The fact that the expected winners won is not fake news. To make more of it then that either is a display of opinionated bias, or falsehoods disguised as fact.

[CRedskinsRule]

Last year's presidential map for VA

Last night's map for VA


You have to click to go to CNN, but the bottom line is that the vote last night was nearly identical to the vote a year ago. Trump didn't win the state, and Gillespie didn't either. If you want to make a story of it, you could easily make it one along the lines of, Even with all Trump's negative media his voters stayed with him.

The same is true in NJ. The districts broke down in similar line with the 2016 election.


To Matty's point, it is relevant because elections always are, but it's not shocking, or an upset, or a trend away from Trump in the electorate of these states.

[Chico23231]

^ exactly...the spin is egregious.

[JoeRedskin]

While the districts voted the same way in terms of winner/losers, the voter turnout was higher for both the Democratic and Republican candidates.

In 2013, approximately 2,240,000 voters participated in the gubernatorial election.
In 2017, approximately 2,600,000 voters participated in the gubernatorial election.

While both major candidate parties gained significant votes, the Dems gained almost 350K in votes, while the Republican gained only 150K (meanwhile, Libertarian candidate went from 140K to 12K.

I would suggest Trump's 2016 win was fueled in some party by significant voter apathy from the left. Pretty sure that ain't happening in 2020. Not sure what the next three years hold, but pretty sure the country is going to continue with its polarization.

My prediction: Increased chauvinism on the right, increased identity politics on the left, and a continued decline in intellectual debate and the competition of ideas.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

While the districts voted the same way in terms of winner/losers, the voter turnout was higher for both the Democratic and Republican candidates.

In 2013, approximately 2,240,000 voters participated in the gubernatorial election.
In 2017, approximately 2,600,000 voters participated in the gubernatorial election.

While both major candidate parties gained significant votes, the Dems gained almost 350K in votes, while the Republican gained only 150K (meanwhile, Libertarian candidate went from 140K to 12K.

I would suggest Trump's 2016 win was fueled in some party by significant voter apathy from the left. Pretty sure that ain't happening in 2020. Not sure what the next three years hold, but pretty sure the country is going to continue with its polarization.

My prediction: Increased chauvinism on the right, increased identity politics on the left, and a continued decline in intellectual debate and the competition of ideas.

and continued ad revenue for major media companies. Because they chose the content to sow discontent. It would be fun to focus on education, energy, immigration and hard extremely complex issues. But fuck that, let’s talk about what frat wore a non pc Halloween costumes that went viral. Fuckin country full of morons.