Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I guess thats changed.

Replacing a Shanny with a Gruden, Cowher...just not a strong move imo. Doesnt make sense to me.

A move that I wouldnt mind (braces for attack) when it comes to retread at head coach would be Reid WITHOUT Marty Morningweg coming along.

Who's saying Jon Gruden would come here?

[Meks]

i keep saying this but i at least expect and want him to stay thru next year... year one with rg3 looks ok... so year 2? i wanna see it.

[REDSKINS4ever]

No more Super Bowl winning head coaches! It's near impossible to duplicate the same success that a HC had with one team with another. Only 2 HC have won the SB with a one team and returned to the big game with another team. That should be reason enough to not want Gruden. Parcells and Holmgren have come the closest. It's time to get a young coach starting fresh.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Did you see what he did with Luck at Stanford? He can do the same with RGIII, currently with Smith his offense is dink and dunk which makes Smith Successful. He's the only out of 6 or 7 coordinators who has had success with Smith. Roman's style is like Gibbs, big physical OL, a tough pounding type RB and wide open offense with the right QB, in our case RGIII. He did it with Luck, don't go by his #'s look at his success with QB's. He knows to adapt to the type of QB he has.

So again this goes to my previous post, our roster isn't suited to that style of play. You're good with starting over again with the OL because we aren't big & physical, RB because Morris is perfect for our scheme but probably wouldn't fit as well in others and WR because we don't have weapons for a 'wide open' scheme.

Offense isn't close to an issue for us, we need to fix the D.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yes but the other thing those teams have in common is great qb play which the offenses were built around. We have one now too. It starts there. The D is going to be the big question mark going forward. 4-3 or 3-4?

I don't care 4-3 or 3-4, both work if schemed properly. We've got major backend personnel issues but if those get shored up and we're healthy on the front 7 I think our defense would be decent under a better coordinator. I doubt changing back to a 4-3 would magically transform us back to a top 10 unit.

[VTSkins1961]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So again this goes to my previous post, our roster isn't suited to that style of play. You're good with starting over again with the OL because we aren't big & physical, RB because Morris is perfect for our scheme but probably wouldn't fit as well in others and WR because we don't have weapons for a 'wide open' scheme.

Offense isn't close to an issue for us, we need to fix the D.

True, fix the defense first but there is nothing to say you couldn't gradually change the players to fit the scheme that he likes

[VTSkins1961]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I don't care 4-3 or 3-4, both work if schemed properly. We've got major backend personnel issues but if those get shored up and we're healthy on the front 7 I think our defense would be decent under a better coordinator. I doubt changing back to a 4-3 would magically transform us back to a top 10 unit.

I agree with this. I like the 4-3 better and I think it is easier to get players that fit the 4-3 scheme than the 3-4

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So again this goes to my previous post, our roster isn't suited to that style of play. You're good with starting over again with the OL because we aren't big & physical, RB because Morris is perfect for our scheme but probably wouldn't fit as well in others and WR because we don't have weapons for a 'wide open' scheme.

Offense isn't close to an issue for us, we need to fix the D.

Offense is fine, we have the working pieces, a RT is needed. D is the main problem.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who's saying Jon Gruden would come here?

um...no one. actually, so far no one is saying anyone is coming here.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Offense is fine, we have the working pieces, a RT is needed. D is the main problem.

Knowing is half the battle. At this point we have to battle with what we have. Hell seems like we have solved the kicker problem that has plagued us for years. Come the offseason i think the issues are pretty much as obvious as can be. Garcon's injury is the one x-factor for me. If it is a career derailing injury than wide reciever becomes an issue(moss is probably due to age in his final year). Not sure we have enough cap space/ draft picks to fix wr , rt, maybe mlb, and our secondary.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

At what point do things stop being rumors and become facts with you? Just curious. It's been obvious the team has had individual blowups with no disciplinary action whatsoever. There has been a noticeable lack of intensity the last couple of weeks. Shanahan practically said he was throwing in the towell on the rest of the season no matter how he tried to explain it afterward. SS reported on the friction between Fletch and a couple of other players with Haslett. And SS said he already knew some of this was going on and wasn't surprised by some of the rest. Just curious what it takes for something to stop being a rumor and becoming a fact in your eyes. I heard the economy sucks and unemployment is high....I guess we'll have to wait and see on that one too huh?

No because the economy sucking and the unemployment being high is actually facts.. There is numbers and stats behind it.

I've seen this before on different scales around the league. People here something, and then assume it's right and then spread it around for a little jest.

Ill start believing a rumor when it's not a RUMOR Till then, i'm just going to enjoy the game this Sunday and the rest of the season.

[los panda]

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Bucket

No because the economy sucking and the unemployment being high is actually facts.. There is numbers and stats behind it.

I've seen this before on different scales around the league. People here something, and then assume it's right and then spread it around for a little jest.

Ill start believing a rumor when it's not a RUMOR Till then, i'm just going to enjoy the game this Sunday and the rest of the season.

Yeah but this info is coming from reliable places. If you are waiting for Shanny to come out and say he has lost the team or for Griff to come out and say he is not happy it aint gonna happen
Im with ya about enjoyin the game though.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I wonder if there has ever been a losing team that doesn't have internal strife. Nobody likes to lose. It raises the level of stress and tension in any organization. Winning some games would quickly get things back in order.

How many losing teams with this kind of internal strife rebound under the same regime/leadership?

Kinda gets back to that "how long do you give them" debate.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I guess thats changed.

Replacing a Shanny with a Gruden, Cowher...just not a strong move imo. Doesnt make sense to me.

A move that I wouldnt mind (braces for attack) when it comes to retread at head coach would be Reid WITHOUT Marty Morningweg coming along.

If Gruden or Cowher called and said they WANT to coach this team, do you at least set up a meeting?