Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not going to do it, and I'm not comparing the players-just the situation. But I suppose we were saying the same things about Ramsey early in his career. "He's only played a few games" "Of course he'll get better"...but he never did



Let's hope Cousins does

Imo Cousins has already shown so much more than Ramsey ever did. I cannot say I remember his first few starts but I do not ever remember thinking he "had it".

[JoeRedskin]

I dunno, I think the "KC may be the next Rex Grossman" is more likely than "KC is the next Pat Ramsey." Ramsay was never as decisive as KC. Someone, somewhere said, "KC decides where he is going with the ball when he breaks the huddle. That's both his strength and his weakness."

Ramsey, well, he had a kick-ass arm.

[Chico23231]

Well to put our QB situation in context go around the league and look at the trash we almost got: Jake Locker = still looks lost, best oline in the league, cant stay healthy, resembles a garbage can in the pocket. Ponder = 3rd string piece of sh*t, fooled a bunch of dumbass scouts. Tannehill = on the verge of losing his job, cant put it together, his numbers are terrible. Sam "Body cast" Bradford = not great when he played, more qualified to be a doctor than a qb

Those effing teams would poison their own QB to have Cousins or RG3

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I dunno, I think the "KC may be the next Rex Grossman" is more likely than "KC is the next Pat Ramsey." Ramsay was never as decisive as KC. Someone, somewhere said, "KC decides where he is going with the ball when he breaks the huddle. That's both his strength and his weakness."

Ramsey, well, he had a kick-ass arm.

Like I said, not talking about the players. Talking about the situation. My point is some people just don't get better. Will Cousins? I don't know. I sure hope so. But it's naive to just assume he will, which I think is what a lot of people here are doing

[JWsleep]

The iggles put up 37 points on us. Tough for any QB to win in that situation. And few teams can spot opponents 10 points because of ST gaffs and win.

I'm much less worried about the offense if they can put up 34 with an inexperienced backup on the road. And I don't think the iggles ever really stopped the O as much as a few missed passes/WR reads stopped the O. We'll find out about KC/RGIII in the long run.

But we're gonna need more bodies on D, especially in the secondary. We don't seem to have anyone capable of playing free safety, a crucial spot in the Pitt style D we play. We are very inexperienced/weak and corner now. And Ryan Clark, who I really like so far, is near the end of his career. I think this won't get fixed this year--but it's obviously a priority in FA/draft next year. So this means were going to continue to give up big pass plays to good teams, teams who can keep our much-improved front 7 off the QB. Get used to it: we were 3-13 last year; getting to 6-10/7-9 is a VERY big improvement, though I think we might see it. But getting beyond that requires a secondary.

I like Gruden's offense so far, and it was great to see DJax getting his moment there. Too bad we couldn't pull it out. Niles Paul was good again. Loved to see the big plays--nice screen to Helu. We put some hits on Foles but he stood tall and we never got that crucial INT. Great strip fumble, though. Fun game to watch as a football fan. Tough to lose, as a Redskins fan. F*** Philly.

Too bad about the short week, but we NEED this next one. Unfortunately, the half-assed Texans gave the gints new life there. They ran the ball well, pressured the QB, etc. Still, they are eminently beatable. Please skins, don't s*** the bed on Thursday!!!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Too bad about the short week, but we NEED this next one. Unfortunately, the half-assed Texans gave the gints new life there. They ran the ball well, pressured the QB, etc. Still, they are eminently beatable. Please skins, don't s*** the bed on Thursday!!!

I'm actually glad the Giants got their "W" yesterday. As sorry as they've been so far in the season, I would not have wanted to play them while they were in desperate mode. Hopefully they'll still have a hangover from their big win.

[Evilgrin]

Todays NFL is all about those end of game drives, and whoever has the ball last has to get it done.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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So after 5 starts and really no work with first team you're saying this is what he is as a QB? You don't think the timing with Garcon, DJax and co will improve? Or maybe you prefer that high school offense we saw week one. Actually I really hope you're right cause if KC is what we saw yesterday then he's a Pro Bowl QB. For this week, what should have been 37 points on the road is something any NFL team would take. At least for this week, I can not blame the offense or Cousins for the loss.

I too am hoping that some of that gets better the more he works with the first unit. My evaluation, for what's it worth, is that he was drafted in the 4th round for a reason. He has historically, in both the pros and college, faced bouts on inaccuracy and bad decision making. He has a little bit of gunslinger in him. That can work for a team if there is something that can augment it into a value..like mobility. What I saw yesterday was a guy who can make throws, understands the offense, and has confidence. What I also saw was a guy who flat out missed pretty easy throws in the 4th quarter that had to be made. Throws that guys like Rodgers/Brees/Manning/Brady make. The type of QB Cousins is has to be at that level for us to win. He has to be a play-maker with his arm and he can't do that by missing 5-yard outs.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Like I said, not talking about the players. Talking about the situation. My point is some people just don't get better. Will Cousins? I don't know. I sure hope so. But it's naive to just assume he will, which I think is what a lot of people here are doing

Exactly. When I say I am "afraid that is what he is" I mean this. What we saw yesterday matched what he was in college...he hasn't gotten better since then. For sure he can probably be a solid QB in the league. But I don't want Grossman/Schaub/Palmer. I want a guy who carries the team when needed. We'll see. I sincerely hope he can be that. We should be happy to deal with the controversy crap involving Robert when he comes back if it means Kirk has turned the corner and is growing beyond what we saw yesterday.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well to put our QB situation in context go around the league and look at the trash we almost got: Jake Locker = still looks lost, best oline in the league, cant stay healthy, resembles a garbage can in the pocket. Ponder = 3rd string piece of sh*t, fooled a bunch of dumbass scouts. Tannehill = on the verge of losing his job, cant put it together, his numbers are terrible. Sam "Body cast" Bradford = not great when he played, more qualified to be a doctor than a qb

Those effing teams would poison their own QB to have Cousins or RG3

Poison hahahaha

[Gary84Clark]

Anyway it's surprising how JoeRedskin is willing to give Cousins all the patience he never gave RG3. Cousins throws a pick that's understandable. rG3 throws a pick he is a bad QB. I don't hate Cousins I am just keeping Joe honest. Anyway we need to beat the Giants.

cousins won't be able to overthrow RG3 by losing.

[CRedskinsRule]

Ya know, I think the Eagles game showed exactly who we as a franchise are RIGHT NOW. Every strength (depth, lots of offensive threats, good run stopping) and every weakness (penalties, ST, crunch time awareness) was highlighted. Probably the 2 surprising things that didn't show up, were our two strongest attributes - pass rush, and rushing, which without watching tape, I imagine Philly gave special emphasis to those two things to prevent them from being the reason Philly lost. Imagine gameplanning to take away the strengths of your opponent - How RUDE!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Anyway it's surprising how JoeRedskin is willing to give Cousins all the patience he never gave RG3. Cousins throws a pick that's understandable. rG3 throws a pick he is a bad QB. I don't hate Cousins I am just keeping Joe honest. Anyway we need to beat the Giants.

cousins won't be able to overthrow RG3 by losing.

Whoa now, JR was (and is) a huge RG3 fan. If you are gonna call someone out, at least try and get facts straight. Would you try posting links to JR calling out RGIII???

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Whoa now, JR was (and is) a huge RG3 fan. If you are gonna call someone out, at least try and get facts straight. Would you try posting links to JR calling out RGIII???

Ok well substitute Joe's name for Heath Evans.

[tshile]

as a huge griffin fan (and cousins, for what its wroth) and someone who thinks people are being way too hard on him...

cousins play concerned me yesterday...

only because i'm concerned no matter what decision we make, it may not be the right one

would suck to watch either go and have a successful 10+ year career somewhere else while we continued to suck with bad qb play...

i'm just used to this organization making bad decisions