Was McNabb misused in Minnesota also?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CapitalDefense

Yes he did, a great season in 2010.

In 2010 Kyle was in Washington, no?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So maybe this is the wrong thread for this but how will you quantify success or that the Shanahans have 'finally gotten it right'? What are your benchmarks or milestones you are looking for to determine success or failure?

When we start to compete with and beat NFL teams who are in year to year contention (like we did with the Giants last season), and when we start to crush the bottom 6-8 teams in any given year on the field. When we're competing with playoff teams in meaningful statistical categories. And finally, when we're making personnel moves that suggest we're a big market organization who knows how to use it's resources to separate from teams that don't (or shouldn't) have the means to compete with us.

If we can get a couple of those things right, we'll be on the right track. We already failed on the personnel front this year, but every other one of those criteria is still in play in 2012.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Did not mean to single you out and sincere apologies if it seemed as such. I guess my point is: isn't ultimate responsibility on Mike (and Bruce probably to a lesser extent) that we traded for a washed up QB? As in we can all agree McNabb wasn't the answer, but how did a SB winning legacy coach goof the evaluation so badly?! Savvy?

For some reason this a truth that most media and fans don't recognize: although Mike and Kyle are running the same offense they are decidedly different playcallers.

Thankfully, Griffin fits either style.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Goat

See my original post bud I say Mike and Kyle, and that's not my argument anyway.

...thanks for the laughs though your post cracking me up.

So what is your argument? I'm having a hard time with what you're trying to say here. Do you think we're doomed to failure with Mike and Kyle at the helm? Is the glass half empty or is it half full? Too many cooks in the kitchen? Do you think they have no credibility, and deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt based on past history?

Do you think no matter what path they take, be it draft, FA, or otherwise, that we will never be successful no matter what? I don't get it. It seems like every move this franchise makes, you laughably dismiss it as foolish. Why bother watching or following the team if you think we're just doomed to failure. Is it the fascination of watching a train wreck? I don't get it.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by mooby

So what is your argument? I'm having a hard time with what you're trying to say here. Do you think we're doomed to failure with Mike and Kyle at the helm? Is the glass half empty or is it half full? Too many cooks in the kitchen? Do you think they have no credibility, and deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt based on past history?



Do you think no matter what path they take, be it draft, FA, or otherwise, that we will never be successful no matter what? I don't get it. It seems like every move this franchise makes, you laughably dismiss it as foolish. Why bother watching or following the team if you think we're just doomed to failure. Is it the fascination of watching a train wreck? I don't get it.

I think we should all have a round of beers on Matty.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I think we should all have a round of beers on Matty.

/Stressful day, needs a drink.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Did not mean to single you out and sincere apologies if it seemed as such. I guess my point is: isn't ultimate responsibility on Mike (and Bruce probably to a lesser extent) that we traded for a washed up QB? As in we can all agree McNabb wasn't the answer, but how did a SB winning legacy coach goof the evaluation so badly?! Savvy?

Nah, no worries, was just replying in general. Yes, it was their bad but two years later they aren't still talking about it. He is. If he had responded with something more neutral and said its up to them to maximize his talents but he's got all of the tools and Shanny has had success in the past it would have been all good. Since he went off on a half cocked rip job, he got the brunt of Redskins Nation which mostly had forgotten about him.

[MTK]

Hey did you hear RG3 dissed the Colts?

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hey did you hear RG3 dissed the Colts?

No what happened.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hey did you hear RG3 dissed the Colts?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

hehe that's excellent...ty for the chuckles Dirtbag!

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

When we start to compete with and beat NFL teams who are in year to year contention (like we did with the Giants last season), and when we start to crush the bottom 6-8 teams in any given year on the field. When we're competing with playoff teams in meaningful statistical categories. And finally, when we're making personnel moves that suggest we're a big market organization who knows how to use it's resources to separate from teams that don't (or shouldn't) have the means to compete with us.

If we can get a couple of those things right, we'll be on the right track. We already failed on the personnel front this year, but every other one of those criteria is still in play in 2012.

How can we say that when we aren't even to training camp yet GTripp?


There is time to improve on what we have. The salary cap hit is slowing down the team. We have the draft. Salary restructures could free up some space if needed as well as cuts to resign LF and there would still be some cash left to push up right to the cap with a few vet FAs or maybe some other second and third tier guys. AND if we really hit on RGIII or Luck and they live up to everyone's expectations and hopes. Wouldn't adding a franchise QB to our current team = a win for this years off season acquisitions?

I believe that we need time to evaluate the roster once the season starts again. This may end up being a great offseason for adding talent to our team. OR it could be a huge failure that leads to a new HC...... you just never know. It is just to early to state that.

Other than that I agree with your answer.

BTW I read somewhere on some web page that RGIII declined a private work out with the Colts.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

So what is your argument? I'm having a hard time with what you're trying to say here. Do you think we're doomed to failure with Mike and Kyle at the helm? Is the glass half empty or is it half full? Too many cooks in the kitchen? Do you think they have no credibility, and deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt based on past history?

Do you think no matter what path they take, be it draft, FA, or otherwise, that we will never be successful no matter what? I don't get it. It seems like every move this franchise makes, you laughably dismiss it as foolish. Why bother watching or following the team if you think we're just doomed to failure. Is it the fascination of watching a train wreck? I don't get it.

Ooof, can't even remember what I said at this point lol. I keed I keed...and now try to answer your ?s which are fair ones with the same honesty! Sorry I don't know how to do the split quote magic trick...would be nice if there was a link to some two step process I've missed all this time...but whatevs.

Admittedly never been a big fan of Mike. I think the various stars (pun intended) of Elway, Sharpe, Davis, and a stellar defense all had to perfectly align for the man who resembles Splinter to win two rings. And his impact on Elway is debatable. John is a hell of a smart guy and was high up the learning curve by the time Mike rode into Denver. That said, he's exponentially more qualified to run the offense than his son, and I think it's pretty obvious Kyle is really calling the game. Therefor I don't implicitly trust Kyle's offense to nurture/develop our best hope for an elite franchise QB in at least two decades.

I've criticized our offense plenty for its slow tempo, sometimes bizarre series of plays, questionable preparedness, and I don't think a rookie QB alone can lead his offense to solutions all around. They wouldn't even need a coaching staff!!

Something I've tried to say in other threads I think the coaching has to improve as much or more than the roster, regarding both talent and execution, to achieve competitiveness. And that's the goal. Doesn't necessarily mean a SB even. Warner's last season w/ the Cards was a thing of greatness and I think over 10 games the Steelers and Cards would have split down the middle. And for all I know one or two other teams that year could have done the same. Let's be competitive...for awhile...at least

[MTK]

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[NC_Skins]

NFL.com news: Donovan McNabb believes he's a Hall of Famer

I had to share this for the lulz alone.

Kriegel started the discussion by saying there would be "no debate" whether or not McNabb was a Hall of Famer if he had a title. McNabb was asked what makes a Hall of Famer:

"First of all is his numbers. How many times has he led his team to the big game?" McNabb said "The big game still is the NFC Championship Game,

Only McNabb would consider the NFC Championship as the "Big Game"....lol What a dope.