More Haynesworth Drama? Big Al Sounds Off After Ravens Game

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.

Really? So if anyone here has negative opinions about a player, if they voice them from behind a computer screen they're a pussy? Nah. It's a fan forum. This whole site is based on our opinions.

Nobody else had the guts or pride? I lol'd. The guy shoved a few dudes by the sideline. Big deal. He's a hot head. It's what he does. If it really came down to it, you don't think a London Fletcher or a Philip Daniels would back up their teammates? Come on.

The way Haynesworth has acted and carried himself, well, pussy is a darn good adjective if you ask me. Along with lazy, childish, fat, and arrogant.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Really? So if anyone here has negative opinions about a player, if they voice them from behind a computer screen they're a pussy? Nah. It's a fan forum. This whole site is based on our opinions.

Nobody else had the guts or pride? I lol'd. The guy shoved a few dudes by the sideline. Big deal. He's a hot head. It's what he does. If it really came down to it, you don't think a London Fletcher or a Philip Daniels would back up their teammates? Come on.

The way Haynesworth has acted and carried himself, well, pussy is a darn good adjective if you ask me. Along with lazy, childish, fat, and arrogant.

Did you read my post? I said,
"Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face."

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Did you read my post? I said,
"Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face."

Yeah sorry. Just gonna flat out disagree with you. Me calling him a puss from "behind my computer screen" doesn't make me a pussy. If he didn't act like one, I and plenty of other fans of this team wouldn't have that opinion of him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This great sight used to be about intelligent football talk. When we had heated disagreements we would agree to disagree and move on.
Now we got drunk, violent and vulgar haters.
Internet tough guys calling Haynesworth a pussy?
Call him lazy, fat, greedy, childish, selfish or plain old stupid, but a pussy?
Haynesworth was the only Redskin to defend and throw down to defend his smaller teamates last year. Nobody else had the guts or the pride!
Calling him a pussy to his face is incorrect and dangerous.
A true pussy is someone calling someone else a pussy from behind a computer screen and not his face.

So you think he's worth the hassle cause he defended a teammate in a fight? This isn't MMA. To me the guy is a pussy cause he let's his teammates down. To me that's the issue, not defending guys in a push and shove match.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So you think he's worth the hassle cause he defended a teammate in a fight? This isn't MMA. To me the guy is a pussy cause he let's his teammates down. To me that's the issue, not defending guys in a push and shove match.

I am not sure if he is worth it. Much less am I saying because he defends teamates he is worth it.
My only point is in my opinion some of you guys in an attempt to be funny incorrectly threw around the word pussy and I am just trying to point it out.
Haynesworth being a selfish ass and letting his teammates and fans down is many negative things. But pussy is not the right word. That is all. A pussy is someone who backs down from a fight because he is afraid. Not someone who runs into a fight to defend a friend and teamate.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I am not sure if he is worth it. Much less am I saying because he defends teamates he is worth it.
My only point is in my opinion some of you guys in an attempt to be funny incorrectly threw around the word pussy and I am just trying to point it out.
Haynesworth being a selfish ass and letting his teammates and fans down is many negative things. But pussy is not the right word. That is all. A pussy is someone who backs down from a fight because he is afraid. Not someone who runs into a fight to defend a friend and teamate.

I was the one who called Haynesworth a pussy. I was not trying to be funny. I was trying to accurately describe my feelings toward him. I'm satisfied with it.

When I saw that SS had started this thread, and closed all other Haynesworth threads, in an effort to instill more civility I was a little confused since I didn't notice anyone taking the issue personally. It appears that I have offended you by calling Haynesworth a pussy, and for that I am sorry.

I will say that we differ in our opinions of what makes a pussy. Just because a guy plays the macho tough-guy act does not mean he is not a pussy. I don't respect machismo. To me a pussy is a guy who has no mental fortitude. A guy who cannot persevere. A guy with no self-discipline. That guy is Albert Haynesworth.

[mlmpetert]

Report: Haynesworth likely has rhabdomyolysis | ProFootballTalk.com

If this is the case, then i can understand him being upset about Shanahan just dismissing it as a headache.

Haynesworth wanting to play with the starters though is complete bs to me. He has missed a couple days of practice this week, missed 10 days because of conditioning, and did not attend offseason workouts. For him to feel entitled to play with the starters at this point is ridiculous.

[SFREDSKIN]

Rhabdomyolysis sidelined Haynesworth in practice

Add another problem to the long list of issues stirring conflict between Coach Mike Shanahan and defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth: rhabdomyolysis.

The condition causes the rapid breakdown of skeletal muscle because of injury to muscle tissue, and rhabdomyolysis is what sidelined Haynesworth in practice last week, three people familiar with the situation said Sunday.

Tony Wyllie, Redskins' senior vice president, said Sunday afternoon the team would have no comment on Haynesworth until Coach Mike Shanahan addreses the media after practice Monday.

Shanahan has discussed Haynesworth's symptoms but hasn't revealed an exact diagnosis. Experts say that Haynesworth's ability to play in Saturday's game likely means he's recovered from the condition. They also warn, though, that the fact that Haynesworth was suffering from rhabdomyolsis might also indicate that he wasn't in proper shape to practice in the summer heat.

"Rhabdomyolysis is basically a condition in which you have extensive muscle breakdown," said Dr. Lynne P. Yao, chairman-elect of the National Kidney Foundation. "It doesn't happen as often in well-conditioned athletes, but if there's really extreme circumstances -- like extremely hot weather -- than that could happen. when you have large amounts of muscle breakdown."

Experts say rhabdomyolysis is a breakdown of muscle fibers, which prompts the release of toxic myoglobin into the bloodstream.

Haynesworth lashed out after Saturday night's 23-3 loss to the Baltimore Ravens, saying the team is underplaying the severity of the medical condition that prompted him to sit out practice at Redskins Park. Haynesworth also contends that team officials are still holding his absence during the offseason conditioning program against him, and he announced he plans to skip next season's voluntary conditioning program.

In speaking with reporters after the game, Haynesworth never mentioned Shanahan by name, but multiple team sources said the two-time all-pro performer's anger is directed at Shanahan because he has described Haynesworth's condition as being "more of a headache than anything else." Haynesworth declined to reveal specifics about maladies that prompted him to cut short his participation in practice Tuesday as well as miss the sessions Wednesday and Thursday, but team medical personnel last week diagnosed him with Rhabdomyolysis.

The condition is caused by injury or strain and, in some cases, causes severe problems with kidney functions. People who experience severe physical trauma, such as car crashes, are more susceptible to rhabdomyolysis, experts say.

Another Redskins player suffered from rhabdomyolysis last season, one of the team sources said. Treatment includes the aggressive use of intravenous fluids, but there is no medication available.

In an interview late Saturday after the game, Haynesworth expressed frustration about the way things have been characterized because he "just wants people to say the truth about what's going on. That's it. A headache? That's not what's going on."

Meanwhile, several of Haynesworth's teammates simply shook their heads in disbelief when informed of the latest dust up between Shanahan and Haynesworth. One defensive veteran aware of Haynesworth's condition said he understood why Haynesworth was upset, but also sided with Shanahan in saying that Shanahan would never reveal details about any player's medical condition to the media.

Another defensive player tired of the conflict said he could not understand why Haynesworth seemed to be upset. It is common knowledge within the locker room that the Redskins plan for Haynesworth to start at right defensive end, his desired position in the team's new 3-4 scheme, and it just doesn't make sense for Haynesworth to continue to poke Shanahan, the player said.

"I know what type of player I am and what I can do" if the Redskins let him, he said in the interview late Saturday night. "I just want people to tell the truth."

[GusFrerotte]

Rhabdomyolysis: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

Just googled rhabdomylosis. Hopefully AH did indeed just had a bought with this. If chronic, his kidneys are in for a tough time. They better have tons of gatorade for him. I think this might be a classic the boy who cried wolf type of situation. The guy made noise/ held out too much that was BS and now folks don't believe him when he is really sick. I wouldn't be surprised if he contracted it going nuts losing all that weight. Whatever the case, this drama needs to be put to rest.

[dblanch66]

This ass clown would have never made it in the old school football days. the NFL has definitely gotten soft and unfortunately the evolution of the game has breeded the Irvins, Keyshawns and TO's of the world. None of these so called "players" would have gotten away with their shenanigans on a team with say, a Jim Brown or Dick Butkus or John Riggins or Larry Czonka or Conrad Dobler to name a few. Haynesworth represents everything negative about professional sports accross the board. His sense of entitlement, imagined sense of persecution and subsequent media tirades are the direct result of an overpaid, self important, propped up baby. No ONE player is worth putting up with all the baggage he brings. Just another major blunder left over from the Cerrato years. It's a big shit sandwich and the Washington Redskins are gonna have to take a couple of big ole bites.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

This ass clown would have never made it in the old school football days. the NFL has definitely gotten soft and unfortunately the evolution of the game has breeded the Irvins, Keyshawns and TO's of the world. None of these so called "players" would have gotten away with their shenanigans on a team with say, a Jim Brown or Dick Butkus or John Riggins or Larry Czonka or Conrad Dobler to name a few. Haynesworth represents everything negative about professional sports accross the board. His sense of entitlement, imagined sense of persecution and subsequent media tirades are the direct result of an overpaid, self important, propped up baby. No ONE player is worth putting up with all the baggage he brings. Just another major blunder left over from the Cerrato years. It's a big shit sandwich and the Washington Redskins are gonna have to take a couple of big ole bites.

It's funny that you mentioned this about old school football, because I think that football as we know it will change drastically in the next couple of year, moving away from "old school football". Given all these issues with concussions, players' health after football, etc., etc. it seems that football will change. I didn't know about the whole rule about the play blown dead if a player's helmet comes off. Sorry for going on a tangent.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

This ass clown would have never made it in the old school football days. the NFL has definitely gotten soft and unfortunately the evolution of the game has breeded the Irvins, Keyshawns and TO's of the world. None of these so called "players" would have gotten away with their shenanigans on a team with say, a Jim Brown or Dick Butkus or John Riggins or Larry Czonka or Conrad Dobler to name a few. Haynesworth represents everything negative about professional sports accross the board. His sense of entitlement, imagined sense of persecution and subsequent media tirades are the direct result of an overpaid, self important, propped up baby. No ONE player is worth putting up with all the baggage he brings. Just another major blunder left over from the Cerrato years. It's a big shit sandwich and the Washington Redskins are gonna have to take a couple of big ole bites.

The same guy who sat the 1980 season. He is the original diva. Hell listen to his rants now days.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by warpaint

The same guy who sat the 1980 season. He is the original diva. Hell listen to his rants now days.

Yeah there's always a lot of revisionist history when we talk about the "good old days"

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by warpaint

The same guy who sat the 1980 season. He is the original diva. Hell listen to his rants now days.

Don't go comparing Fat Albert to Riggo. Late in Riggins' career when his back was shot, he'd spend the early part of the week in traction, but he answered the bell on Sundays and ALWAYS played hard. Haynesworth CLEARLY takes plays off, and has done so his entire career. I can't think of a more talented D-lineman that has produced so little aside from the two seasons leading up to his free agency.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Don't go comparing Fat Albert to Riggo. Late in Riggins' career when his back was shot, he'd spend the early part of the week in traction, but he answered the bell on Sundays and ALWAYS played hard. Haynesworth CLEARLY takes plays off, and has done so his entire career. I can't think of a more talented D-lineman that has produced so little aside from the two seasons leading up to his free agency.

Yeah, that was my point. I certainly haven't forgotten Riggins sitting out the '80 season but the difference is: he sat out the season. there was really little drama involved. When he DID suit up, though, he played with a ferocity and had more guts than any Redskin player I can remember. He was the only non-lineman HOG. says something. I don't give a rat's ass what he rants about now. He's a guy trying to get ratings. My point is that players like AH couldn't have hacked it in the old days and in the old days the game was a lot more fun to watch. not living in the past, I'm just waxing..