Haynesworth fails conditioning test

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-01-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.

Exactly. I don't really see it working. If AH wants to play end, he's going to have to prove he's capable by running his ass off. We can't have our top end sucking wind on the sideline every 2 or 3 plays.

skinsfan_nn · 08-01-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Exactly. I don't really see it working. If AH wants to play end, he's going to have to prove he's capable by running his ass off. We can't have our top end sucking wind on the sideline every 2 or 3 plays.

If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?

artmonkforhallofamein07 · 08-01-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?

This whole scenario is pretty pathetic by AH. For one you can't pass a conditioning test because why exactly? If he had been working out all offseason to get into better shape and losing weight properly with cardio and strength training he should have been able to come in and run some "drills" in the given amount of time without a problem. BUT now you have ran a couple of times in the last 2 days and it has left your knee swollen. does this really sound as though a guy who is in top shape? Or has been training all offseason? A little running and now you will be held out of practice for a sore knee?

I have been defending him the last few weeks and trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I am done. The team needs to get him into shape, and if i was Shanahan and the Redskins I would feel as though I had been lied too the whole time by this guy and his trainer. So what he lost some weight and did some working out? He didn't get himself into a "top" shape by any means.

Of course he then may develop another health concern.

So then you would have to ask yourself is this guy even worth keeping around on the football team? Do you trade him or just flat out release him?

rant over for now...

p.s.

I still want to AH to get with the program and succeed here in DC, but if it drags on and on I wouldn't miss him either.

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-01-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?

No, I don't think that's going to change. Hence, the reason I said, "I don't really see it working," immediately before the part you bolded. :smashfrea

T.O.Killa · 08-01-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

If Fat Al wants to play end..? Shanny could care less what Fat Al WANTS. Thats fairly apparent and I applaud him for holding fat ass to the fire.

Who said he was our "top end" he hasn't even seen the football field. And by the way he sucked wind frequently on the sideline last season as a DT you think thats really gonna change..?

Our defensive statistics are vastly better when he is in there. I believe Orakpo never had another sack after he got hurt. We need Haynesworth. I predict he will be a pro bowler and our best defensive player this year, as long as he does not get hurt.

Longtimefan · 08-01-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.

Speaking of the 5-3 defense....Don't know if you're old enough to remember, but when George Allen was coach here he deployed the defense in a playoff game against the Packers in an atempt to combat their strong running game that consisted of two runners, John Brockington and McArthur Lane. It worked superbly, on that day the Packers running game was completely shut down.

Lotus · 08-01-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Speaking of the 5-3 defense....Don't know if you're old enough to remember, but when George Allen was coach here he deployed the defense in a playoff game against the Packers in an atempt to combat their strong running game that consisted of two runners, John Brockington and McArthur Lane. It worked superbly, on that day the Packers running game was completely shut down.

I remember that. I thought Allen was a genius. He dared the Pack to pass knowing that they couldn't.

SirClintonPortis · 08-01-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Anyone who played high school ball will remember a defense that was common called a 5-3 monster...or variations of it. A nose guard ,2 tackels and 2 stand up DE's with 3 Lber's ,this is very much the same except the tackels are now called ends and the ends are replaced with lber's.Point is AH responsability at times will be outside-in containment and pursuit....by playing RE he'll be doing more running then if in the middle and if he has knee problems with running now it will only get worse.

Yeah, but being a NT means having to hold off 900 lbs of force of mass being shoved into you, which can't be good for the knee either.

Giantone · 08-01-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Yeah, but being a NT means having to hold off 900 lbs of force of mass being shoved into you, which can't be good for the knee either.

he would have to do that at end also and well.....football in general is hard on the knees.A Good D lineman can split a double team, by playing nose he is the closest lineman to the QB,if he is as fast as he says he should get plenty of sacks.

SirClintonPortis · 08-01-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

he would have to do that at end also and well.....football in general is hard on the knees.A Good D lineman can split a double team, by playing nose he is the closest lineman to the QB,if he is as fast as he says he should get plenty of sacks.

Well, what matters is what gap he's playing. If he's playing 0 gap, then he's not gonna get much sacks since he has to play the run to both his right and left first and occupy the blockers in front of him. If he plays the 1-gap or something, then he can try to split the linemen; it's what he has been doing these past few years. Besides, in a 3-4 he may be the DE, but the pass rusher is going to be Rak, and depending on how they line up, Al may just have to penetrate the 1-gap.

53Fan · 08-01-2010, 12:30 PM

saden1 · 08-01-2010, 12:30 PM

I hope the Skins have a defibrillator nearby just in case Fat Albert has a heart attack and to keep him honest just in case he fakes one.

Hog1 · 08-01-2010, 12:47 PM

With the 21m in his pocket (and TO taking a cut in pay) perhaps he could sub-contract taking the test to TO? I think TO could pass it and it undoubtedly make for good ratings on TO's........"reality" show?
.........All's well, juice boxes for everybody!

DynamiteRave · 08-01-2010, 08:16 PM

Good ol GusFrerotte is the only one that has voted unfair so far. If ya happen to come back to this thread, mind sharing why you think it's unfair? Not to bash you or anything, just because I'm honestly curious.

GusFrerotte · 08-01-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Good ol GusFrerotte is the only one that has voted unfair so far. If ya happen to come back to this thread, mind sharing why you think it's unfair? Not to bash you or anything, just because I'm honestly curious.

Just did to see the results of the voting. Not my opinion dude, just hit yes just to see the results and to see if anyone else would vote yes. I thought it would be funny to vote yes and be the fly in the ointment also. IF the guy can't complete that relatively easy drill he shouldn't be practicing. Damn he might collapse or have a heart attack!!!

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saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Haynesworth fails conditioning test I hope the Skins have a defibrillator nearby just in case Fat Albert has a heart attack and to keep him honest just in case he fakes one. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

08-01-2010, 12:47 PM	#13
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Haynesworth fails conditioning test With the 21m in his pocket (and TO taking a cut in pay) perhaps he could sub-contract taking the test to TO? I think TO could pass it and it undoubtedly make for good ratings on TO's........"reality" show? .........All's well, juice boxes for everybody! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

08-01-2010, 08:16 PM	#14
DynamiteRave Living Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Age: 39 Posts: 16,867	Re: Haynesworth fails conditioning test Good ol GusFrerotte is the only one that has voted unfair so far. If ya happen to come back to this thread, mind sharing why you think it's unfair? Not to bash you or anything, just because I'm honestly curious. __________________ Establishment, establishment, you always know what's best. I've been a part of this message board for 17 years. Damn I'm old.

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