Anyone else disgruntled at this point?

drew54 · 02-23-2005, 09:42 PM

Maybe we should bite the bullet before all of this projected 2006 cap hit and just clean house. Gut check, time to look in the mirror Dan.

We just blow the whole thing up, as usual and rid ourselves of these "none core Redskins"

Who should be on this list of purges.

Lets start with last year's list. Brunell - no explination required. McCants failed to continue trying after the ink dried. Raymer needs to go, since he acted like the doggy door this year. Barrow should go if he cant play, or never will be the same player as what he used to be. Maybe if he was gone Pierce would resign.

The Jetskins. Cut them all but Randy Thomas.
Everyone already wants Morton gone, fine, lets do it. LC is done. John Hall really wasnt the next Mosley.

Ditch Matt Bowen, since we found decent replacement in Ryan Clark.

Trade Gardner, if no trade can be found, cut him. Let Smoot walk if he wants to be outrageous. Pierce basically balled his way out of Washington with his excellent year.
Chris Samuels, yes he only gave up one sack last year, but players with epilepsy have jumped offsides less than this guy.

I dont know if I am missing anyone else that is a major letdown, but if I am, I say we cut them too.

Take the huge cap hit now, and from this point forward only sign players that are under 30, and quit trading away all of our draft picks.

CRT3 · 02-24-2005, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by drew54

Take the huge cap hit now, and from this point forward only sign players that are under 30, and quit trading away all of our draft picks.

Rember as of right now there is no cap in 2007. Also all of the players mentioned above are under 30 except HAll and Barrow. Hall has been pretty good. Don't you rember with Turner that was alwyas a consistent problem, no kicker. Cut none of them and rework contracts is the right tact as we only have to make it thru 2006.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-23-2005, 09:44 PM

Monk,

Sorry to disagree with you again. I'm not trying to just take the opposite side of the argument to do battle with you

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I don't think that Vinny can be blamed for the Coles situation. Coles is frustrated by Gibbs' system - something Vinny has no control over. Coles was brought in to play in Spurrier's system and he fit that mold perfectly.

As for the structure of the contract, Coles' 2003, 2004, and 2005 cap figures are very cap-friendly. Moreover, Coles got about the same deal as Peerless Price did in 2003, but Coles has vastly outproduced Price.

Vinny assesses talent and tries to bring players to the team that meet the needs of the head coach. Thus far, I think he's got a pretty good track record in D.C.

BTW, I know I am in the distinct minority re: my opinion of Vinny.

drew54 · 02-23-2005, 11:05 PM

I dont think Vinney can be blamed for the simple fact that most of the time free agents just dont pan out becasue all they really care about is the team that will pay the top dollar.

Look at guys like Warren Sapp, he only went to Oakland for the money, he doest have to answer to anyone there either and he has no sense of loyalty like he did in Tampa, and that went away after Dungy left town.

This is typical of players just looking to set up his retirement.

Maybe the players should be force to have 401k plan that 10% of their contract goes toward.

That way there would be less of this "I gotta feed my family" bullcrap.

lifetimeskin · 02-23-2005, 11:50 PM

I said it in a similar thread, but anyone that wants out, show them door. Malloy, Staley, Trotter, and Hugh Douglass were all let go from the 2 super bowl teams. I don't thik we need either Coles or any other selfish a**hole.

KLHJ2 · 02-24-2005, 12:26 AM

I agree, and I have also said it in another thread let Gibb's and the coaching staff weed them out. Remember Gibb's signed for five seasons and we have just completed one, look at the selfish players he has already found and we know we need to boot.

drew54 · 02-24-2005, 09:10 AM

That cap loophole isn't set in stone if I remember correctly. I would hate to see us bank on the unsure future then have it backfire on us.

CRT3 · 02-24-2005, 09:24 AM

Its set in stone untill talks acutally begin and as we have seen with the NHL, talks take a while to heat up. Plus there is no downside for the NFL or the NFLPA in this, everyone stands to gain except for the small market teams and who are they now? Everybody is leaning how to increase revenue even Arizona with a new stadium and a rights deal on the horizon. The one probally with a low revenue might be Buffalo or San Diego.

02-23-2005, 09:42 PM	#1
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 43 Posts: 1,324	Re: Anyone else disgruntled at this point? Maybe we should bite the bullet before all of this projected 2006 cap hit and just clean house. Gut check, time to look in the mirror Dan. We just blow the whole thing up, as usual and rid ourselves of these "none core Redskins" Who should be on this list of purges. Lets start with last year's list. Brunell - no explination required. McCants failed to continue trying after the ink dried. Raymer needs to go, since he acted like the doggy door this year. Barrow should go if he cant play, or never will be the same player as what he used to be. Maybe if he was gone Pierce would resign. The Jetskins. Cut them all but Randy Thomas. Everyone already wants Morton gone, fine, lets do it. LC is done. John Hall really wasnt the next Mosley. Ditch Matt Bowen, since we found decent replacement in Ryan Clark. Trade Gardner, if no trade can be found, cut him. Let Smoot walk if he wants to be outrageous. Pierce basically balled his way out of Washington with his excellent year. Chris Samuels, yes he only gave up one sack last year, but players with epilepsy have jumped offsides less than this guy. I dont know if I am missing anyone else that is a major letdown, but if I am, I say we cut them too. Take the huge cap hit now, and from this point forward only sign players that are under 30, and quit trading away all of our draft picks.

02-23-2005, 09:44 PM	#3
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	Re: Anyone else disgruntled at this point? Monk, Sorry to disagree with you again. I'm not trying to just take the opposite side of the argument to do battle with you . I don't think that Vinny can be blamed for the Coles situation. Coles is frustrated by Gibbs' system - something Vinny has no control over. Coles was brought in to play in Spurrier's system and he fit that mold perfectly. As for the structure of the contract, Coles' 2003, 2004, and 2005 cap figures are very cap-friendly. Moreover, Coles got about the same deal as Peerless Price did in 2003, but Coles has vastly outproduced Price. Vinny assesses talent and tries to bring players to the team that meet the needs of the head coach. Thus far, I think he's got a pretty good track record in D.C. BTW, I know I am in the distinct minority re: my opinion of Vinny.

02-23-2005, 11:05 PM	#4
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 43 Posts: 1,324	Re: Anyone else disgruntled at this point? I dont think Vinney can be blamed for the simple fact that most of the time free agents just dont pan out becasue all they really care about is the team that will pay the top dollar. Look at guys like Warren Sapp, he only went to Oakland for the money, he doest have to answer to anyone there either and he has no sense of loyalty like he did in Tampa, and that went away after Dungy left town. This is typical of players just looking to set up his retirement. Maybe the players should be force to have 401k plan that 10% of their contract goes toward. That way there would be less of this "I gotta feed my family" bullcrap.

02-23-2005, 11:50 PM	#5
lifetimeskin Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 60 Posts: 84	Re: Anyone else disgruntled at this point? I said it in a similar thread, but anyone that wants out, show them door. Malloy, Staley, Trotter, and Hugh Douglass were all let go from the 2 super bowl teams. I don't thik we need either Coles or any other selfish a**hole. __________________ ---lifetime skin

02-24-2005, 12:26 AM	#6
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 47 Posts: 5,829	Re: Anyone else disgruntled at this point? I agree, and I have also said it in another thread let Gibb's and the coaching staff weed them out. Remember Gibb's signed for five seasons and we have just completed one, look at the selfish players he has already found and we know we need to boot.

02-24-2005, 09:10 AM	#7
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 43 Posts: 1,324	Re: Anyone else disgruntled at this point? That cap loophole isn't set in stone if I remember correctly. I would hate to see us bank on the unsure future then have it backfire on us.

02-24-2005, 09:24 AM	#8
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 62 Posts: 795	Re: Anyone else disgruntled at this point? Its set in stone untill talks acutally begin and as we have seen with the NHL, talks take a while to heat up. Plus there is no downside for the NFL or the NFLPA in this, everyone stands to gain except for the small market teams and who are they now? Everybody is leaning how to increase revenue even Arizona with a new stadium and a rights deal on the horizon. The one probally with a low revenue might be Buffalo or San Diego. __________________ 16-0 for 2007

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