Why Are We So Divided On Jason Campbell?

[bigant]

bottom line ,he is not the quarterback to take you to the next level. and he is a free agent and we should not spend any big money on him....

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by bigant

bottom line ,he is not the quarterback to take you to the next level. and he is a free agent and we should not spend any big money on him....

So who do you go sign or draft if Campbell's not the answer?

Another question, do you think if we had Drew Brees, and I know this is a big what IF, could Brees take this existing Redskin team to the next level?

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

So who do you go sign or draft if Campbell's not the answer?

Another question, do you think if we had Drew Brees, and I know this is a big what IF, could Brees take this existing Redskin team to the next level?

No, because there are problems with the line, WR's are average at best right & the coaching is awful. That's why ppl find it so hard to judge him way too many variables in this whole offensive equation.

[MonkFan4Life]

I feel like we are divided because you have different types of fans. You have the as long as they are a Redskins then they just need time to develop. The if Snyder down't like them then they have to be good Redskins fan. Then the I'm a Skins fan THROUGH AND THROUGH I just can truly evaluate this team objectively. I'm one of the latter.

The Snyder hater fan couldn't stand JC when Snyder looked for Gibbs replacement and pretty much told every suitor that JC would have to be their QB. They said that Snyder couldn't shove this guy down their throats. Steve Czaban once said in reference to Jason Campbell "I've seen enough of this movie to know that it sucks"

The Snyder haters also changed their stances on JC when Dan Snyder didn't want Campbell. Once Snyder went out to replace JC with Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez, Jason Campbell was the guy now. How could Dan Snyder possibly know what franchise QB is ? The same Dan Snyder who thought that JC would be a franchise guy that's who. They forget that Snyder once endorsed Campbell when others wouldn't. Czaban later stated referring to JC "I feel like I haven't seen thw whole movie and the kid just might be good".

I feel as though he has had 5 years to prove his self as a QB in this league. We talk about him as if he is a rookie in the preseason. He's going to get this, or he's going to get that when these are things that he should have down by now. As a Redskins fan who knows a little about football (not everything but I can take the veil off Skinsfandom when need be) I can judge the team and not just say the owner has to go. For everyone that says that he just needs an O-Line I ask them where were his insane touchdown numbers when we went 6-2 ? Sure he didn't throw picks but when des he start racking up 6's. People lose people, but you have to keep it going. Only when they threatened to get rid of JC did he become a leader. He just isn't a franchise guy IMO. He can go somewhere else but his choice not to throw the ball deep, his failure to be the deep passer that everyone tells me that he is causes me to feel this way. The fact that I can read an article where he says that he'd rather not call his own protections. The times that I listen to his interviews with Lavar when he blames everyone but himself for his failures as a QB cause me to feel like this. He can kill you underneath but no matter where he is, no matter what system he is in, no matter who his coach is, who his receivers are until he can anticipate a receiver being open, until he can thrown the ball to the spot where the receiver will be before they hit their break he will stay the same QB. Until he canhit a wide open receiver downfield he will still be the same guy.

He does have those times when I almost fall right back into the Jason can be good thing, but then I look at the game some more and it changes.

[MTK]

Rodgers needs to stop holding the ball so long at times, I wouldn't call him elite just yet. He's good though.

Rodgers also had the benefit of sitting and learning for a full 3 seasons and hasn't had to endure multiple system changes. His WRs are also one of the better groups in the league. He is an example of how to properly break a QB in to this league.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Rodgers needs to stop holding the ball so long at times, I wouldn't call him elite just yet. He's good though.

Rodgers also had the benefit of sitting and learning for a full 3 seasons and hasn't had to endure multiple system changes. His WRs are also one of the better groups in the league.

I love how some people here think every QB is created equal, and the ones who have great O lines and great coaches and great WRs are the ones who go to the HOF. All the rest are just victims of their inferior circumstances.

It flies in the face of logic, but time and time again I see people qualifying why some QBs are better than others. Couldn't it be possible that some QBs are just smarter and more talented than others? I just don't understand why there's got to be some catch that explains why every QB is able to perform.

It reminds me of the same loser mentality people use to make excuses about why they're struggling in their job while the guy in the office next door consistently produces better results. Get off it already. Some people are just better. Period.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I love how some people here think every QB is created equal, and the ones who have great O lines and great coaches and great WRs are the ones who go to the HOF. All the rest are just victims of their inferior circumstances.

It flies in the face of logic, but time and time again I see people qualifying why some QBs are better than others. Couldn't it be possible that some QBs are just smarter and more talented than others? I just don't understand why there's got to be some catch that explains why every QB is able to perform.

It reminds me of the same loser mentality people use to make excuses about why they're struggling in their job while the guy in the office next door consistently produces better results. Get off it already. Some people are just better. Period.

Relax chief. Of course some guys are simply better, but you also can't just ignore things like system changes and the coaches/players around that QB. All of that is critical to a player's development. A lot of a guys success is due to simply being in the right place at the right time. This team hasn't exactly been a great place for QB development over the course of the last 15+ years. That fact can't be denied. That's all I'm saying.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I love how some people here think every QB is created equal, and the ones who have great O lines and great coaches and great WRs are the ones who go to the HOF. All the rest are just victims of their inferior circumstances.

It flies in the face of logic, but time and time again I see people qualifying why some QBs are better than others. Couldn't it be possible that some QBs are just smarter and more talented than others? I just don't understand why there's got to be some catch that explains why every QB is able to perform.

It reminds me of the same loser mentality people use to make excuses about why they're struggling in their job while the guy in the office next door consistently produces better results. Get off it already. Some people are just better. Period.

Because some people see medium-efficiency players like Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler and Joe Flacco and decide on a whim that they've now seen what real quarterback is supposed to look like, while discriminating against other medium-efficiency players such as Campbell. Your eyes, and my eyes, are pretty helpless to separate a good player from a bad player, with the exception of extreme situations such as JaMarcus Russell or Drew Brees.

And that's just the thing: not everyone in the middle of the league is created equal. But because they are in the middle of the league, they look, at times, like very similar players. And the players in that group that consistently look better tend to be surrounded by the best talent.

Your position simply cannot explain Marc Bulger, for example.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I love how some people here think every QB is created equal, and the ones who have great O lines and great coaches and great WRs are the ones who go to the HOF. All the rest are just victims of their inferior circumstances.

It flies in the face of logic, but time and time again I see people qualifying why some QBs are better than others. Couldn't it be possible that some QBs are just smarter and more talented than others? I just don't understand why there's got to be some catch that explains why every QB is able to perform.

It reminds me of the same loser mentality people use to make excuses about why they're struggling in their job while the guy in the office next door consistently produces better results. Get off it already. Some people are just better. Period.

I get what you're saying, but I think the point that is often made by JC supportes is that while he may not be a star qb, he can still win w/the right structure. It then becomes a question of what the team is willing to pay to replace him and upgrade the rest of the O. Maybe a fa qb can immediately turn it on, but if you invest a high pick on a qb it takes time & $.

The team has invested some time in JC but they've yet to fully invest in the offense. The 08 draft was a start, but we all agree the O line needs a major overhaul. I have been down on JC this year more so than the past, but I still would prefer to see him stay & see the high picks go to the o line & maybe rb. I wouldn't mind seeing a qb w/the 2nd or later round picks if the right guy is there, knowing that he'll likely not be ready for a couple of years if then.

[over the mountain]

^^ lol, yeah to some degree i agree with you that it seems any qb not named peyton manning or tom brady or drew brees is created equal with the disparity in W-Ls and stats being outside elements not attributable to the qb.

go skins!!

[30gut]

Bottom line?

Some people think you can evaluate a QB behind a bad OL and less then ideal situation i.e. FO courting other QBs, HC being stripped of playcalling duties

other think that a QB rated 16th in the NFL despite the circumstances mentioned above might be better with an adequate OL and competent playcalling

HTTR!