Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[MTK]

I think some people are really overstating our OL issues. This was a unit that suffered through some pretty tough injuries last year and the kind that you can't necessarily chalk up to a player being "injury prone". That said regardless of what we do with the #21 pick, the OL is still likely to be a position of priority throughout the draft. So it's not as if we can't address the line if we trade away one pick.

Plus, WR is a need regardless of whether it's addressed through trade or by the draft.

[KB24]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think some people are really overstating our OL issues. This was a unit that suffered through some pretty tough injuries last year and the kind that you can't necessarily chalk up to a player being "injury prone". That said regardless of what we do with the #21 pick, the OL is still likely to be a position of priority throughout the draft. So it's not as if we can't address the line if we trade away one pick.

Plus, WR is a need regardless of whether it's addressed through trade or by the draft.

But, how about the fact that each of your starting O-line members are in their '30s, one is playing on two arthritic knees, two others are coming off season-ending injuries. Add to the equation, there's only one quality back-up and we had to move a guy from defense to offense because we had no depth? Do we just "hope" that we can get through again? That line is a year older and, because of that, the chances of injury are very good. I'd rather use ALL of our picks to get younger and build depth. This is something that's been missing from this team for quite a while and it's come back to haunt us quite a bit. WR is a need, but not as big as the need that exists on our lines.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KB24

But, how about the fact that each of your starting O-line members are in their '30s, one is playing on two arthritic knees, two others are coming off season-ending injuries. Add to the equation, there's only one quality back-up and we had to move a guy from defense to offense because we had no depth? Do we just "hope" that we can get through again? That line is a year older and, because of that, the chances of injury are very good. I'd rather use ALL of our picks to get younger and build depth. This is something that's been missing from this team for quite a while and it's come back to haunt us quite a bit. WR is a need, but not as big as the need that exists on our lines.

I'm not sure what you are missing but I said that OL is likely to be a high priority this weekend. I wouldn't be surprised to see them take at least 2 offensive lineman.

Are you suggesting they should use all 9 picks on the OL?? That's slightly absurd.

[KB24]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not sure what you are missing but I said that OL is likely to be a high priority this weekend. I wouldn't be surprised to see them take at least 2 offensive lineman.

Are you suggesting they should use all 9 picks on the OL?? That's slightly absurd.

Absolutely, not. I'm just saying we need to be wiser when it comes to using our picks and I'd rather see us use them on young, hungry players with something to prove than a 30-something receiver who, while elite, may relax once he gets his money. I also think you make this kind of trade if we're a player away from being a contender and we're just not there.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KB24

Absolutely, not. I'm just saying we need to be wiser when it comes to using our picks and I'd rather see us use them on young, hungry players with something to prove than a 30-something receiver who, while elite, may relax once he gets his money. I also think you make this kind of trade if we're a player away from being a contender and we're just not there.

I get it, you're against Johnson and that's fine and completely understandable. I just didn't understand why you seemed to be trying to insinuate that by trading that pick we wouldn't be able to address the OL.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by KB24

Absolutely, not. I'm just saying we need to be wiser when it comes to using our picks and I'd rather see us use them on young, hungry players with something to prove than a 30-something receiver who, while elite, may relax once he gets his money. I also think you make this kind of trade if we're a player away from being a contender and we're just not there.

I'd rather use the pick on a 30-something WR who has proven himself and is a pro bowl player then to make a guess at who the next T.O., Williams, or CJ is going to be in this yrs draft who ultimatly turns out to be a bust. Imagine spending the money a #21 will get on one of the 3 we let go from last yrs draft. Hell we did just as good if not better with the invites after the draft. Marcus Mason will turn out to be something someday if not with us then with another team and Heyer is better then most of us thought. Let Bugel develope him this year and see how he does. As a matter of fact I believe most of the Redskins histroy with O-lineman is that they were not the top pick. Bugel has a way of developing O-lineman. Take a look at the Hogs. None of them if I recall were 1st round draft picks.

Yes the line protects the QB to give him time to get the ball off, but it's also the QB who has to get the ball off pior to the rush getting to him. Which is why he is supposed to notice the rush and call a play for a check down if needed. I'll also point out that our O-line was doing fine prior to Gibbs picking up Saunders. Then I believe there was a difference in blocking schemes. More so then we all thought. Why don't we run the ball like Denver? because Denver uses smaller lineman who are faster so they use zone blocking. Gibbs always liked the big smash mouth lineman which is usually a little slower, but better for man blocking. Pick your poison. I think if we can get our run blocking scheme back prior to Saunders and utilize Zorn's unknown passing offense (which we all hope is better then Saunders) then we should be alright. We do need back ups to our line now but don't think they are going to draft someone and stick him on the line come Sept. thats not how Bugel has worked. The only reason Heyer was put in was because of injuries. He is younger and probably faster then Janson.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KB24

But, how about the fact that each of your starting O-line members are in their '30s, one is playing on two arthritic knees, two others are coming off season-ending injuries. Add to the equation, there's only one quality back-up and we had to move a guy from defense to offense because we had no depth? Do we just "hope" that we can get through again? That line is a year older and, because of that, the chances of injury are very good. I'd rather use ALL of our picks to get younger and build depth. This is something that's been missing from this team for quite a while and it's come back to haunt us quite a bit. WR is a need, but not as big as the need that exists on our lines.

Great point. The line issues hurt us badly in playoff losses to Seattle in 05 and 07. Time to address the issue.

[DFI]

I am glad the offer got turned down. I think Johnson is a great reciever but I could live without the drama.

[celts32]

If it were a 1 and a 3 in this draft it would be close to his value considering where we are picking. However, the conditions that will turn this into a #1 pick next year are very attainable for him. It's just to much...if we are trading 2 #1 picks then I want someone younger who can play 8+ years for me.

There are very few players in the league worth 2 #1 picks...based on age and production in my opinion the ony WR's worth that compensation are Fitzgerald & Braylon Edwards. Maybe I left one out but basically it has to be a young pro bowler IMO.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by celts32

If it were a 1 and a 3 in this draft it would be close to his value considering where we are picking. However, the conditions that will turn this into a #1 pick next year are very attainable for him. It's just to much...if we are trading 2 #1 picks then I want someone younger who can play 8+ years for me.

I'm starting to swing towards it being too steep a price, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY for you to say that "the conditions that will turn this into a #1 pick next year are very attainable for him" because no one knows what those conditions are except for the Redskins and Bengals. I sure haven't heard details. If you know something let us know.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I'm starting to swing towards it being too steep a price, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY for you to say that "the conditions that will turn this into a #1 pick next year are very attainable for him" because no one knows what those conditions are except for the Redskins and Bengals. I sure haven't heard details. If you know something let us know.

ESPN reported that it was based on his # of catches next season...it was something like 65 catches would turn it into a #2 pick and 95 catches would make it a #1 pick.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

ESPN reported that it was based on his # of catches next season...it was something like 65 catches would turn it into a #2 pick and 95 catches would make it a #1 pick.

I haven't heard that.

There were team based triggers that would need to be met too though.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

ESPN reported that it was based on his # of catches next season...it was something like 65 catches would turn it into a #2 pick and 95 catches would make it a #1 pick.

Who said that? That's not what I heard. They were record-setting numbers for CJ. Plus the team had to meet certain goals too.

But you could be right. I've heard so many different things on this subject, I don't know what to believe really.

End of the day (or I should say weekend), I don't think he's a Redskin.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who said that? That's not what I heard. They were record-setting numbers for CJ. Plus the team had to meet certain goals too.

But you could be right. I've heard so many different things on this subject, I don't know what to believe really.

End of the day (or I should say weekend), I don't think he's a Redskin.

Neither do I, I don't think Cincy will stop its stubborness

[SeanTaylor21]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who said that? That's not what I heard. They were record-setting numbers for CJ. Plus the team had to meet certain goals too.

But you could be right. I've heard so many different things on this subject, I don't know what to believe really.

End of the day (or I should say weekend), I don't think he's a Redskin.

But, do you think Roy Williams (WR) will be a Redskin at the end of the weekend.