Couldnt help myself

Bergman14 · 10-26-2004, 05:34 PM

I saw this quote and I couldnt help myself, being as it seems one of the few critics of Dan Snyder:

'Even though Spurrier has been basically invisible since he resigned as the Redskins' coach last December, one friend said it would not be farfetched to say Spurrier has been "encouraged" by the struggles of Joe Gibbs' second run in Washington.
'He's not rooting for Joe to fall on his face,' said the friend. 'But you can bet he feels like it wasn't just him who was the problem.'

and I wonder who that problem could have been...

by the way this article is in the nfl section of espn.com right now, and it goes on to hint many more times that Dan is the problem

EEich · 10-26-2004, 05:37 PM

It's taking Joe more time to clean up Spurrier's mess than we all thought it would.
I would have loved to see Joe work with a pre-Spurrier Ramsey.

RedskinRat · 10-26-2004, 05:53 PM

If Gibbs had got to Ramsey before Spurrier tried to kill heim he'd be a League MVP by now.

SmootSmack · 10-26-2004, 06:18 PM

As Steve Spurrier mulls a return to Gator Nation, we're starting to hear that he has not ruled out a return to the NFL, as surprising as that may sound to the skeptics who watched his 5-11 and 7-9 seasons as coach of the Washington Redskins.

So, has the NFL ruled out Spurrier? Maybe not.

"I do think Steve could be successful in the NFL," said Rich McKay, general manager of the Atlanta Falcons. "I would expect I'm not alone in thinking that way."

He's not alone, if you count Ron Wolf, the former Green Bay Packers general manager who most recently has had some flirtations with the Cleveland Browns and Miami Dolphins as a "consultant."

"Would I hire him? Yes, I think I would," said Wolf. "Now I'd have to do my due diligence and, No.1, find out what happened in Washington, as to why it didn't work there."

McKay and Wolf both tried to hire Spurrier. McKay actually got Spurrier to say "yes" to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1996 before the Florida coach changed his mind in a 4 a.m. telephone call to the Bucs' GM. Wolf couldn't quite convince Spurrier to consider the Green Bay Packers after he fired Ray Rhodes and hired Mike Sherman.

Both men had similar analyses of why Spurrier failed with the Redskins – they think his support staff, mostly on the coaching side, was short of the mark.

"I know this – I saw what he put together in Washington (with a coaching staff) and I knew it wouldn't work," said Wolf. "He needs somebody to help him with that. If he got that right, there's no question he would succeed. He's too smart not to succeed."

McKay agreed, saying, "I think Steve would be quick to learn from (his Redskins' failures) and figure out what he needs in a surrounding cast to be successful in the NFL. I'm not saying that to take a shot at (Redskins owner) Daniel Snyder. I know Steve. When he first took the Florida job, it took him a little while to figure out who he wanted as assistants. Once he got that, it was over."

Another team executive who wanted to be anonymous thinks Spurrier "had no shot in Washington. He needs the right owner and the right front office so he can focus on what he does best – coach. I know Snyder gave him a lot of money and he supported him, but it wasn't a good fit."

Even though Spurrier has been basically invisible since he resigned as the Redskins' coach last December, one friend said it would not be farfetched to say Spurrier has been "encouraged" by the struggles of Joe Gibbs' second run in Washington.

"He's not rooting for Joe to fall on his face," said the friend. "But you can bet he feels like it wasn't just him who was the problem."

There's a fairly strong consensus that Spurrier was not overmatched on the sidelines, as some of the skeptics maintained.

"Are you kidding?" asked Wolf. "You don't overmatch this guy."

After all, Spurrier was the last coach to beat Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots.

McKay basically thinks if Spurrier had been at one of the three Florida NFL franchises – Jacksonville, Miami or Tampa Bay – he would have given the pro game more time and eventually nailed it. He didn't exactly call Spurrier a fish out of water, but everyone knows it is less stressful to be, say, a U.S. Senator in Washington than the head coach of the Redskins.

"It's one of the most popular and recognizable franchises in all of sports, and it's just a tough place to coach," said McKay.

Well, if Spurrier is so smart, why didn't he know that going in?

For one, Snyder's timing was right. Spurrier had begun to feel unappreciated at Florida. He always had wondered whether "his way" would work in the NFL, and when he saw Mike Martz's aerial circus give everyone fits with the St. Louis Rams, it stirred his competitive juices for the pro game. Snyder's unprecedented $5 million a year offer was too much to turn down in 2002.

Ironically, Spurrier probably would have jumped at a chance to coach Jacksonville if Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver, who had just fired Tom Coughlin, had made a competitive offer during the same time Spurrier was negotiating with Snyder. But Weaver wanted to honor the league process of searching for a coach, and he ultimately settled on Jack Del Rio.

Del Rio over Spurrier? Many Jaguars fans were appalled. Not now. But that doesn't mean Spurrier would have failed in Jacksonville as he failed in Washington.

McKay also believes Spurrier had a similar transition to that of McKay's father, John McKay, who went from college football power Southern Cal to become the Buccaneers' first head coach. Managing pro players is different than managing college guys.

"I know in Dad's case, it took a couple of years to figure out what a pro player is versus a college player," said McKay. "I was not surprised there was a learning curve for Steve. I think he has gained more knowledge about the pro guys. I wouldn't underestimate Steve. That would be a mistake."

We may never know Spurrier's full potential as an NFL coach. Florida may prove to be too tempting. Then again, if he decides against a Gator sequel, don't necessarily dismiss a rematch with the pro game, especially if the Dolphins come calling, which is a longshot.

"Would it surprise me if he passed on Florida to take another a shot (at the NFL)? No," replied Wolf. "The other thing about (Spurrier) is he is as competitive as anybody you'll ever meet. He doesn't like failure. He may want to finish what he started if the right job came along."

Daseal · 10-26-2004, 06:39 PM

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Both men had similar analyses of why Spurrier failed with the Redskins – they think his support staff, mostly on the coaching side, was short of the mark.

What have i been saying since I came to this board!

Riggo44 · 10-26-2004, 09:07 PM

I would have to agree SS needed a better coaching staff. But didn't he choose his coaches? So who's fault was it? The owner? I don't think so.

That Guy · 10-26-2004, 10:08 PM

he didn't understand pro players or the amount of time needed... he wanted very little to do with meetings and personnel stuff...

he would've been much better off as an OC in a quality pass first offense...

SKINSnCANES · 10-26-2004, 10:56 PM

hes not a leader as a head coach. gibbs is doing everything right as a coach but not as an o cordinator. but hes been out for a while and is getting it back and learning. i was so glad to see he changed his offense to help portis. now if only he could help brunell to...

Peter: Look at this, Lois, see right here [points in book], I was voted most likely to succeed!
Lois: Peter, that's not you. That's not even a yearbook, it's a People magazine.
Peter: Oh, I wondered why they had the wrong picture and name.

remember when spurrier didnt now a lot of th eplayers names half way through the season?!?

Daseal · 10-26-2004, 11:00 PM

Because god knows Coach Gibbs is shaping up to eclipse Spurriers record by a ton, right?

I'm not saying Gibbs will fail, but I'm also saying you're willing to give a coach that's won at the pro level all the time in the world, but a guy still learning the game is a bust after two years? Even though most experts say in order to get a system somewhat clicking it must be in place for three years?

MTK · 10-26-2004, 11:56 PM

Spurrier had many problems and it went further than just not having a quality staff around him, which he hand picked by the way and his refusal to drastically make over the staff was one of the reasons he walked away.

His offense is too simple for the NFL, once defensive coordinators figured it out Spurrier was cooked. He was too slow to adjust, it was painfully obvious he needed to add hot routes and leave in additional blockers, by the time he finally did it was too late.

Spurrier won't be a success in the NFL because he's just not cut out for it. The long hours, the gameplanning, watching film, he didn't do any of this. Players said they didn't even know what the gameplan was going into games. (Excuse me while I wipe the tears of laughter from my eyes.)

Sorry Daseal if many of us are more patient with a coach who won 3 Super Bowls and is in the Hall of Fame. Gibbs has earned our patience.

VTSkins897 · 10-27-2004, 01:11 AM

maybe his offense is simple but gibbs' is looking mighty simple unless we're playing chicago. i agree with the article in saying that washington is just a tough place to coach. expectations are too high for DC. i think that spurrier is a decent coach and would have had success with another franchise, esp. like they said, a florida team. crap, i would like to still have schott. here to be honest. i know that power disputes eventually led to his ousting but still, we were set up to be good under him. so here we stand now with hardly a mediocre offense and a money defense. i for one bet that spurrier could get 8or9 games with a top five D. no doubt that gibbs will get it back though...

aehs77 · 10-27-2004, 02:49 AM

Spurriers offense also never looked as bad as our's does right now

bedlamVR · 10-27-2004, 02:53 AM

Y'know the other reason we gave up on the old ball coach is that he walked away. Its not easy to belive in a coach that isn't here, but then last year we might have been better off if he wasn't here hell it wasn't like the team was hanging off his every word....

Daseal · 10-27-2004, 08:58 AM

I never heard of defensive players always knowing where Spurrier was going with the ball. I know Gibbs and Buges came out and said that simply isn't true, but do you expect anything else out of the coaches who have a system that is currently struggling? Michael Wilbon was in the Browns locker room after the game and they said that they DID know where it was going. I think I'll believe them over the coaching staff.

Only time will tell.

MTK · 10-27-2004, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aehs77

Spurriers offense also never looked as bad as our's does right now

Really?

How about the first Dallas game where Ramsey was getting pummeled every other play and on one 4th down he just threw the ball up for grabs out of frustration??

Funny how quickly we forget.

10-26-2004, 05:34 PM	#1
Bergman14 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Winston-Salem Age: 41 Posts: 138	Couldnt help myself I saw this quote and I couldnt help myself, being as it seems one of the few critics of Dan Snyder: 'Even though Spurrier has been basically invisible since he resigned as the Redskins' coach last December, one friend said it would not be farfetched to say Spurrier has been "encouraged" by the struggles of Joe Gibbs' second run in Washington. 'He's not rooting for Joe to fall on his face,' said the friend. 'But you can bet he feels like it wasn't just him who was the problem.' and I wonder who that problem could have been... by the way this article is in the nfl section of espn.com right now, and it goes on to hint many more times that Dan is the problem

10-26-2004, 06:18 PM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	The complete article-by Chris Mortensen As Steve Spurrier mulls a return to Gator Nation, we're starting to hear that he has not ruled out a return to the NFL, as surprising as that may sound to the skeptics who watched his 5-11 and 7-9 seasons as coach of the Washington Redskins. So, has the NFL ruled out Spurrier? Maybe not. "I do think Steve could be successful in the NFL," said Rich McKay, general manager of the Atlanta Falcons. "I would expect I'm not alone in thinking that way." He's not alone, if you count Ron Wolf, the former Green Bay Packers general manager who most recently has had some flirtations with the Cleveland Browns and Miami Dolphins as a "consultant." "Would I hire him? Yes, I think I would," said Wolf. "Now I'd have to do my due diligence and, No.1, find out what happened in Washington, as to why it didn't work there." McKay and Wolf both tried to hire Spurrier. McKay actually got Spurrier to say "yes" to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 1996 before the Florida coach changed his mind in a 4 a.m. telephone call to the Bucs' GM. Wolf couldn't quite convince Spurrier to consider the Green Bay Packers after he fired Ray Rhodes and hired Mike Sherman. Both men had similar analyses of why Spurrier failed with the Redskins – they think his support staff, mostly on the coaching side, was short of the mark. "I know this – I saw what he put together in Washington (with a coaching staff) and I knew it wouldn't work," said Wolf. "He needs somebody to help him with that. If he got that right, there's no question he would succeed. He's too smart not to succeed." McKay agreed, saying, "I think Steve would be quick to learn from (his Redskins' failures) and figure out what he needs in a surrounding cast to be successful in the NFL. I'm not saying that to take a shot at (Redskins owner) Daniel Snyder. I know Steve. When he first took the Florida job, it took him a little while to figure out who he wanted as assistants. Once he got that, it was over." Another team executive who wanted to be anonymous thinks Spurrier "had no shot in Washington. He needs the right owner and the right front office so he can focus on what he does best – coach. I know Snyder gave him a lot of money and he supported him, but it wasn't a good fit." Even though Spurrier has been basically invisible since he resigned as the Redskins' coach last December, one friend said it would not be farfetched to say Spurrier has been "encouraged" by the struggles of Joe Gibbs' second run in Washington. "He's not rooting for Joe to fall on his face," said the friend. "But you can bet he feels like it wasn't just him who was the problem." There's a fairly strong consensus that Spurrier was not overmatched on the sidelines, as some of the skeptics maintained. "Are you kidding?" asked Wolf. "You don't overmatch this guy." After all, Spurrier was the last coach to beat Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots. McKay basically thinks if Spurrier had been at one of the three Florida NFL franchises – Jacksonville, Miami or Tampa Bay – he would have given the pro game more time and eventually nailed it. He didn't exactly call Spurrier a fish out of water, but everyone knows it is less stressful to be, say, a U.S. Senator in Washington than the head coach of the Redskins. "It's one of the most popular and recognizable franchises in all of sports, and it's just a tough place to coach," said McKay. Well, if Spurrier is so smart, why didn't he know that going in? For one, Snyder's timing was right. Spurrier had begun to feel unappreciated at Florida. He always had wondered whether "his way" would work in the NFL, and when he saw Mike Martz's aerial circus give everyone fits with the St. Louis Rams, it stirred his competitive juices for the pro game. Snyder's unprecedented $5 million a year offer was too much to turn down in 2002. Ironically, Spurrier probably would have jumped at a chance to coach Jacksonville if Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver, who had just fired Tom Coughlin, had made a competitive offer during the same time Spurrier was negotiating with Snyder. But Weaver wanted to honor the league process of searching for a coach, and he ultimately settled on Jack Del Rio. Del Rio over Spurrier? Many Jaguars fans were appalled. Not now. But that doesn't mean Spurrier would have failed in Jacksonville as he failed in Washington. McKay also believes Spurrier had a similar transition to that of McKay's father, John McKay, who went from college football power Southern Cal to become the Buccaneers' first head coach. Managing pro players is different than managing college guys. "I know in Dad's case, it took a couple of years to figure out what a pro player is versus a college player," said McKay. "I was not surprised there was a learning curve for Steve. I think he has gained more knowledge about the pro guys. I wouldn't underestimate Steve. That would be a mistake." We may never know Spurrier's full potential as an NFL coach. Florida may prove to be too tempting. Then again, if he decides against a Gator sequel, don't necessarily dismiss a rematch with the pro game, especially if the Dolphins come calling, which is a longshot. "Would it surprise me if he passed on Florida to take another a shot (at the NFL)? No," replied Wolf. "The other thing about (Spurrier) is he is as competitive as anybody you'll ever meet. He doesn't like failure. He may want to finish what he started if the right job came along." __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-26-2004, 09:07 PM	#6
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 51 Posts: 2,390	I would have to agree SS needed a better coaching staff. But didn't he choose his coaches? So who's fault was it? The owner? I don't think so. __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

10-26-2004, 10:56 PM	#8
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	hes not a leader as a head coach. gibbs is doing everything right as a coach but not as an o cordinator. but hes been out for a while and is getting it back and learning. i was so glad to see he changed his offense to help portis. now if only he could help brunell to... Peter: Look at this, Lois, see right here [points in book], I was voted most likely to succeed! Lois: Peter, that's not you. That's not even a yearbook, it's a People magazine. Peter: Oh, I wondered why they had the wrong picture and name. remember when spurrier didnt now a lot of th eplayers names half way through the season?!? __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

10-26-2004, 05:37 PM	#2
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	It's taking Joe more time to clean up Spurrier's mess than we all thought it would. I would have loved to see Joe work with a pre-Spurrier Ramsey.

10-26-2004, 05:53 PM	#3
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	If Gibbs had got to Ramsey before Spurrier tried to kill heim he'd be a League MVP by now.

10-26-2004, 10:08 PM	#7
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	he didn't understand pro players or the amount of time needed... he wanted very little to do with meetings and personnel stuff... he would've been much better off as an OC in a quality pass first offense...

10-26-2004, 11:00 PM	#9
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Because god knows Coach Gibbs is shaping up to eclipse Spurriers record by a ton, right? I'm not saying Gibbs will fail, but I'm also saying you're willing to give a coach that's won at the pro level all the time in the world, but a guy still learning the game is a bust after two years? Even though most experts say in order to get a system somewhat clicking it must be in place for three years?

10-26-2004, 11:56 PM	#10
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Spurrier had many problems and it went further than just not having a quality staff around him, which he hand picked by the way and his refusal to drastically make over the staff was one of the reasons he walked away. His offense is too simple for the NFL, once defensive coordinators figured it out Spurrier was cooked. He was too slow to adjust, it was painfully obvious he needed to add hot routes and leave in additional blockers, by the time he finally did it was too late. Spurrier won't be a success in the NFL because he's just not cut out for it. The long hours, the gameplanning, watching film, he didn't do any of this. Players said they didn't even know what the gameplan was going into games. (Excuse me while I wipe the tears of laughter from my eyes.) Sorry Daseal if many of us are more patient with a coach who won 3 Super Bowls and is in the Hall of Fame. Gibbs has earned our patience.

10-27-2004, 01:11 AM	#11
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 41 Posts: 890	maybe his offense is simple but gibbs' is looking mighty simple unless we're playing chicago. i agree with the article in saying that washington is just a tough place to coach. expectations are too high for DC. i think that spurrier is a decent coach and would have had success with another franchise, esp. like they said, a florida team. crap, i would like to still have schott. here to be honest. i know that power disputes eventually led to his ousting but still, we were set up to be good under him. so here we stand now with hardly a mediocre offense and a money defense. i for one bet that spurrier could get 8or9 games with a top five D. no doubt that gibbs will get it back though...

10-27-2004, 02:49 AM	#12
aehs77 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: silver spring Age: 39 Posts: 486	Spurriers offense also never looked as bad as our's does right now

10-27-2004, 02:53 AM	#13
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Y'know the other reason we gave up on the old ball coach is that he walked away. Its not easy to belive in a coach that isn't here, but then last year we might have been better off if he wasn't here hell it wasn't like the team was hanging off his every word....

10-27-2004, 08:58 AM	#14
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	I never heard of defensive players always knowing where Spurrier was going with the ball. I know Gibbs and Buges came out and said that simply isn't true, but do you expect anything else out of the coaches who have a system that is currently struggling? Michael Wilbon was in the Browns locker room after the game and they said that they DID know where it was going. I think I'll believe them over the coaching staff. Only time will tell.

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