Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well it appears there will be a clear delineation between the front office and coach with Vinny Cerrato's promotion and clearly defined role. Exactly what Redskins fans have been bitching about for years, to have a separation of "church and state."

What will it do for Campbell? Well considering what Fassel has done with past QBs and how Campbell has done in an offense similar to Fassel's it might actually benefit him (and Portis, and Moss, and El)

But hey, why be rational about it? No, that wouldn't make any sense. No it's a lot better to flip out and write ifrational, idiotic posts.

First off I am not a Vinny fan...I saw first hand his work in SF and it was not good and now he is going to run the show even more. 49er fans were OVER joyed to see him go! As for Fassel I really can't see him being this God sent because if he was he would be coaching some where else. Just another old timer looking for that last big payday from Danny! As for flipping out I just don't see this[Fassle] as the next Super Bowl winning coach for the Redskins. You must and time will tell if you are right.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

What about what went down in Buffalo that same season? The Bills quit on GW too.

Which is why I think it is significant that the players are so solidly behind him this time around. Clearly he has refined his message.

I think he has clearly learned from his mistakes in Buff. One thing that stands out to me is GW has the respect of the guys on offense. Very tough thing to do IMO. The guy coaches the defense and I've heard several guys on offense lobby for him.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think he has clearly learned from his mistakes in Buff. One thing that stands out to me is GW has the respect of the guys on offense. Very tough thing to do IMO. The guy coaches the defense and I've heard several guys on offense lobby for him.

The reason that the O liked him is because they could score only two TDs and we would still win by 3 points.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The reason that the O liked him is because they could score only two TDs and we would still win by 3 points.

LOL! Yeah you might be right on that one. But so much of being a good/great HC is not so much X/O's. It's being able to get the guys to play hard for you, trust you, respect you, believe in what you're saying. I also think your HC has to be able to instill some fear in you as well. I'm sorry but Jim Fassel just doesn't do it for me. He's more of a Norv Turner type. But in the end, if we have good players we'll win and that's the bottom line. It always comes down to who has the best players.

[drew54]

This is very troubling to me. I really feel that this could make it hard for me to follow the team with such a die hard passion.

Even if Fassel wins it all next year, there will still be that bitter taste hanging around.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by drew54

This is very troubling to me. I really feel that this could make it hard for me to follow the team with such a die hard passion.

Even if Fassel wins it all next year, there will still be that bitter taste hanging around.

Help me understand this one.. Are you related to GW?

[drew54]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Help me understand this one.. Are you related to GW?

No not realated.

I really respect Gregg Williams and have enjoyed watching his defense play over the past four years(except 06).

That and I really hate Fassel. Almost as much as I hated Spurrier before we hired him. But I gave him a chance, and I suppose I will give Fassel one too.

[rskinz]

Choosing Fassel would be a huge mistake. Just when you think Dan Snyder might catch a clue, this bullshi* happens.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by rskinz

Choosing Fassel would be a huge mistake. Just when you think Dan Snyder might catch a clue, this bullshi* happens.

Welcome to the board.

[dgack]

You know, those who question why there would be despair at the thought of Gggrilliamsss not getting the nod should think back to the time the "has the game passed Gibbs by" talk began among fans and sports journos.

Looking back now, what we have perspective on is that what Joe restored was a sense of stability, continuity, and perhaps most importantly, an atmosphere where the players believed that the team was headed in the right direction.

It also seemed that some of "The Gibbs" rubbed off on "The Danny" and what Fossil/Ryan represents is a scary regression there.

Passing by Gggrilliams sends a clear message that Snyder honors whatever his lawyers say he has to by the letter of his contracts, not necessary the spirit of his agreements, much less what's the "right" thing to do. It also sends a message that he knows better than the players and isn't really interested in what they think -- they'll play for who the hell he tells them to play for. I'm getting Lavernues Coles flashbacks here, people.

Considering the degree to which this team came together at the end of last year after a horrible tragedy, it just seems so callous to throw that all aside and basically break with everything there for what smacks of some kind of nepotism or Old Boy Network mentality.

If this happens, it seems pretty clear that Snyder really hasn't learned much from Joe, and maybe he wasn't really listening at all while Joe was here anyway.

[Giantone]

Like it or not for a QB ...Fassel is the way to go.

[Oakland Red]

To hire Jim Fassel, and disrupt the continuity and rhythm built up with Gregg Williams would be a tremendous setback for the Redskins.

Dan Snyder has to realize that he is the steward of the Redskins, but the spirit of the team belongs to the fans. If he blows up the stability and train of progress that has been building with the team, and hires Jim Fassel, leaving not just Gregg Williams possibly out of a job, but many other coaches also crucial for continuity - it would be the height of foolishness.

The weight of criticism that Snyder will ultimately bring down on himself if he does this - he will be a very unhappy man I am confident.

I have to hope that this is a momentary loss of perspective for Snyder, and he will regain his focus and select Gregg Williams. Williams isn't certain of success, but to go in any other direction will take the Redskins off the rails in all likelihood.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Like it or not for a QB ...Fassel is the way to go.

exactly what young qback has Fassel done anything with? Kerry Collins? Kyle Boller? give me a break. im not a big Greg Williams as head coach man. but in the best interests of the skins, i think that would be the best choice

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

exactly what young qback has Fassel done anything with? Kerry Collins? Kyle Boller? give me a break. im not a big Greg Williams as head coach man. but in the best interests of the skins, i think that would be the best choice

In fairness to Fassel, Kyle Boller really is the exception and he has had success with QBs in his career. Kerry Collins had by far his best years in the three year stretch between 2000-2002, Fassel was also in Arizona when Jake Plummer was a hot commodity in the mid-1990s. He also gets credit for working with John Elway (kind of a softball there, no?) and Phil Simms. Of course, wasn't Norv Turner also good for QBs ... as an OC?

In some ways you can say that this search does represent something of a departure. Fassel is far from the 'sexy' pick and there is some case to be made that someone with his credentials does make a legitimate candidate. I am concerned, however, by at least two things. One is the fact that the search represents (it certainly seems at least) an even more heightened role for Vinny Cerrato (or at least a continuing prominence), which causes many of us here much concern. Gibbs provided us all with some security that a check existed against the Synder/Cerrato faction and with that gone it seems a lot like 2003 all over again. Also, if someone other than G. Williams was going to get the job I, like GTripp, would have preferred a younger assistant (specifically Schwartz) though that also would probably have caused similar angst amongst most fans.

The bottom line is that no one other than Synder trusts Cerrato so when we all see his level of influence so clearly, and without the Gibbs check, it looks like a return to old ways. More than anything I think that is what is driving our collective concern, even more than G. Williams apparently being shown the door. The one is merely a symptom of a larger problem. Obviously only time will tell as to whether the concern was justified.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

You know, those who question why there would be despair at the thought of Gggrilliamsss not getting the nod should think back to the time the "has the game passed Gibbs by" talk began among fans and sports journos.

Looking back now, what we have perspective on is that what Joe restored was a sense of stability, continuity, and perhaps most importantly, an atmosphere where the players believed that the team was headed in the right direction.

It also seemed that some of "The Gibbs" rubbed off on "The Danny" and what Fossil/Ryan represents is a scary regression there.

Passing by Gggrilliams sends a clear message that Snyder honors whatever his lawyers say he has to by the letter of his contracts, not necessary the spirit of his agreements, much less what's the "right" thing to do. It also sends a message that he knows better than the players and isn't really interested in what they think -- they'll play for who the hell he tells them to play for. I'm getting Lavernues Coles flashbacks here, people.

Considering the degree to which this team came together at the end of last year after a horrible tragedy, it just seems so callous to throw that all aside and basically break with everything there for what smacks of some kind of nepotism or Old Boy Network mentality.

If this happens, it seems pretty clear that Snyder really hasn't learned much from Joe, and maybe he wasn't really listening at all while Joe was here anyway.

I think you are jumping a pretty big gap in logic here. Just because Gibbs supports Williams and Williams coached under Gibbs does not automatically make him more fit for the job.

The players endorse him, much because they have to. That doesn't mean Snyder should be cornered into hiring Gregg Williams if he doesn't feel he's fit to be coach of the Redskins.

The Redskins went through due process on this one. They interviewed a bunch of candidates. They gave second interviews. Snyder included Vinny and Gibbs in the process. The methodology of this decision had everything we as fans could ask for.

I already know the single best candidate for the job (Schwartz) is going to get passed up. The point is, if Danny feels that Fassel makes a better coach than Williams (and the evidence is conflicting), we really can't produce any conclusive evidence that the team is better or worse off. Why not just optimistically wait and see?