Why are we giving Gibbs a pass?

[4mrusmc]

Thanks Smooty for the edit help. Hey Tee the only person that could keep Snyder somewhat in check IS Gibbs. Just think what we would do as fans if Gibbs came out and said "I tried to lead this team back to the promise land, but the owner was against my decisions, so there for I quit". Snyder would probably be stoned and burned at Redskin Park. I think our secondary will be fine, but I would like to know what is our long term plan is for the D-line, and our line backers. Too much rumor, and speculation.

[skinsguy]

Gibbs had been away from the NFL for how long? He's trying to rebuild the organization, not just coach. That takes time, and I will gladly give him the full 5 years of his contract to get this team back into contention. He has done everything that a lot of fans have screamed for.. putting in Campbell, getting an offensive coordinator, getting this team back into the playoffs in his second year...it takes time to build a solid team and Gibbs, as smart as he is, is still trying to figure it out. I'd rather it be him doing it than some unproven coach.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Gibbs had been away from the NFL for how long? He's trying to rebuild the organization, not just coach. That takes time, and I will gladly give him the full 5 years of his contract to get this team back into contention. He has done everything that a lot of fans have screamed for.. putting in Campbell, getting an offensive coordinator, getting this team back into the playoffs in his second year...it takes time to build a solid team and Gibbs, as smart as he is, is still trying to figure it out. I'd rather it be him doing it than some unproven coach.

Good point.

[4mrusmc]

I guess we shall see...I love Gibbs like the next fan BUT, I refuse to drink his Kool-aide after 5 years as I am sure that most of you won't either.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

I guess we shall see...I love Gibbs like the next fan BUT, I refuse to drink his Kool-aide after 5 years as I am sure that most of you won't either.

It isn't about drinking the kool-aide. All of us staunch supporters of Gibbs have all said that he has made mistakes, and even Gibbs has recognized that. It's trial and error...which is why I said he is still trying to figure it out. But, you have to also realize that this team needed more than a coach who is good with X's and O's, it needed someone who would reorganize the team from top to bottom. I believe Gibbs is in the process of doing that, but it doesn't always reflect in the scoreboard or games won and lost. He is paying attention to the fine details that all of us fans don't have access to nor do we pay attention to.

I will agree, however, that it will be a big disappointment if we fail to reach the playoffs this year. However, I will guarantee you that at the very least, the Redskins will win more games than they lose this season.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I will agree, however, that it will be a big disappointment if we fail to reach the playoffs this year. However, I will guarantee you that at the very least, the Redskins will win more games than they lose this season.

Well its always the easy and sexy pick to go around 8-8. That is what everyone says. Be bold.

6-10 and lower or 10-6 and higher? Pick one section.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Well its always the easy and sexy pick to go around 8-8. That is what everyone says. Be bold.

6-10 and lower or 10-6 and higher? Pick one section.

12-4 If Cambell is healthy the whole year. 4-12 If Brunell has to play!

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by angryssg

12-4 If Cambell is healthy the whole year. 4-12 If Brunell has to play!

haha ok so i hope brunell isnt playing, i guess my game wasnt accounting for that. For simplicity lets make the assumption that Campbell takes all the snaps. (Main concern should be the D and if Al's offense is working)

6-10 and lower or 10-6 and higher?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Well its always the easy and sexy pick to go around 8-8. That is what everyone says. Be bold.

6-10 and lower or 10-6 and higher? Pick one section.

10-6, with us going 11-5 the year after that. By then, Campbell will be a pro bowl material...

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

10-6, with us going 11-5 the year after that. By then, Campbell will be a pro bowl material...

Haha and that is your honest opinion? If it is then good.

[skinsfan69]

Save this thread for the season.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

Let me first say that a appreciate what Joe Gibbs has done as our coach. But, I for one am not pleased with the way our team is being built. It seems every year that us "arm chair quaterbacks" know what our strengths and weaknesses are. And come draft day our team president comes out of left field somewhere with some crazy draft day pick-ups. We have to ask our selves, "what are we developing as a team, and per player and their position". We throw away draft picks, and over pay for over-hyped free agents. This we know is true. But, I am definitely not happy with the finished product. This is Joe's fourth year to get this thing right, and probably his last. We as fans demand better, and we have definitely suffered long enough. Look, I love this team just like you guys, but come on, how many post game shows can you stand to hear our coach say, "that team was tough, and our guys fought their guts out." It's time to have some kind of sensible plan, and to execute that plan come game day Joe! You may fire when ready............

..Ugh! :tongue

[ncskinsfanec]

Did somebody say broken record? I don't even think I can count the number of times this topic has been brought up. Give the man another season at least before we bring this tired subject up again. I mean he did help end our recent playoff drought (which a lot of people have already conveniently forgotten) and he is also very well respected by the players. I think it's a great situation that a lot of teams would love to have!

[Schneed10]

So much of a team's success is tied to the QB, we all know this.

When Gibbs came back in 2004 we had nobody worth a crap on the roster at QB. I think the team overpaid for Brunell, but honestly who else was available? Jeff Garcia was just let go from the 49ers, but he played dismally in Detroit and Cleveland because the supporting cast was miserable. I don't think he would have done any better than Brunell did with the 'Skins. You could argue that the Skins should have drafted a QB right out of the gates - but we had the 5th pick and missed out on a shot at Eli or Phillip Rivers who went 1 and 4 respectively. Roethlisberger was available for our pick at 5, he went to Pitt at #11. But look at the difference between Roethlisberger with a surrounding cast like the 2005 Steelers and a terrible supporting cast like the 2006 Steelers. He may have won a SB, but I'm not buying that he's anything special at QB. So even to this day, I can still see the logic in the Brunell move, though maybe lowering the price tag woulda made sense.

As for the legacy of Gibbs II, it's largely going to depend upon the success of Jason Campbell. The D was a problem last year, but you have to like GW's chances of at least getting them back to average. Given that, Campbell is what will define the 'Skins in 2007 and in the years to come. If he develops into a pro-bowler, making plays on a consistent basis, then when Gibbs leaves us for the final time, we will be a playoff contender year in and year out. And at that point, I'd credit him for having the conviction to stand up and trade a lot for a guy he thought was worth it; Gibbs would deserve the credit for returning us to legitimacy.

Look at Manning, Brady, Brees, McNabb, Hasselbeck, and Carson Palmer. They've all established themselves as excellent leaders and consistent QBs, and consequently their teams are perennial playoff favorites. If Campbell develops into that kind of QB, then Gibbs II will have been an excellent coaching stint. And until we know what Campbell's really made of, the jury is still out on Joe Gibbs the second.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Roethlisberger was available for our pick at 5, he went to Pitt at #11. But look at the difference between Roethlisberger with a surrounding cast like the 2005 Steelers and a terrible supporting cast like the 2006 Steelers. He may have won a SB, but I'm not buying that he's anything special at QB. So even to this day, I can still see the logic in the Brunell move, though maybe lowering the price tag woulda made sense.

I think Roethlisberger is right on track to become one of the best QBs in the league.

I think what you saw his first two years is a guy who had a very simple role in his offense. An offense that only throws 35-40% of the time, and allows for some primo passing lanes off play action. I don't think Roethlisberger was doing anything that any other veteran QB (possible exception to Tommy Maddox) couldn't have done with ease, although it IS impressive that he did it at such a young age.

What happened this year was simple, and it had nothing to do with the motorcycle accident. He simply regressed to his expected 3rd year line after playing well above it for two seasons. The explination regression was two-fold in nature.

1) It was inevitable. Roethlisberger had been well outplaying his age and experience level even for one of the greatest QBs in NFL history (of which he will never be). He was going to come back to earth sometime, and I'm just shocked that he kept it going for the better part of two years.

2) He didn't have the security blanket around him that he did the prior two years. No longer could he just complete a few 3rd down passes and throw TDs off play action and be one of the best QBs in the league. He had to make more throws, and more throws always will create a better indication of how good a guy really is.

Roethlisberger will continue to improve now as a player, but its obvious that those people who were ready to put him into Canton over the first two years of his career should think a lot longer before they react.