Lavar Gone

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You act like he is 35 years old. He is 27!!! not even is his prime. He bulked up because of the knee troubles, he played his ass off the last 5 games, had 12 tackles in two playoff games, int. Its going to be a mistake.

yeah, his game was coming back to him & he was just starting to show some discipline in the system. HIs problem has always been his individuality, on & off the field. He's been a bit self-absorbed & that comes through in his rebellion on the field, freelancing & biting like a gator for every junior varsity play fake that comes his way.
I was thinking at the end of the season & playoffs that he was finally willing to play team ball. Now, he might mature somewhere else at a much lower price.
Oh well, maybe we should consider this the last tie to the era of big Danny signings.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You act like he is 35 years old. He is 27!!! not even is his prime. He bulked up because of the knee troubles, he played his ass off the last 5 games, had 12 tackles in two playoff games, int. Its going to be a mistake.

But two straight years of knee problems? If I were a gambling man, which I am, I'd put a fair amount of money down that says his knees/legs still won't be right going into next year.

Knee problems don't hang around for 2 years if they're fixable. I think something is chronically wrong with his leg.

[Twilbert07]

Wherever Lavar ends up, I'm sure he'll score at least one defensive TD against the Skins and join the long list of ex-Skins who have hurt us at least once.

But, all in all, the move had to be made.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I differ from you guys. I'm happy as a pig in sh*t that he is gone. He plays like a chicken with his head cut off. When his knee is healthy and he has speed, he can play like a chicken with his head cut off and still make plays. His speed made up for his tendencies to be out of position.

But if you have balky knees, or if you're starting to age, your speed declines. And all of a sudden playing like the chicken with no head starts to become a liability.

This move should have cleared quite a bit of cap room for us. I will do my best to figure out how much. We're much better off without him. Bravo Gibbs.

It would be nice if you could beleive something LaVar says but unfortunately you can't. Just a little while ago he maintained he'd be willing to restructure or do anything that would allow him to be a Redskin for life (yeah right) He's the only player on the team not willing to restructure to help his team in cap trouble. I knew when GW signed a three year extention to remain the DC there was no way this guy was still going to be here. No way is Williams going to put up with another year of LaVar's S****T.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

It would be nice if you could beleive something LaVar says but unfortunately you can't. Just a little while ago he maintained he'd be willing to restructure or do anything that would allow him to be a Redskin for life (yeah right) He's the only player on the team not willing to restructure to help his team in cap trouble. I knew when GW signed a three year extention to remain the DC there was no way this guy was still going to be here. No way is Williams going to put up with another year of LaVar's S****T.

I don't know what to believe but I sure wish like Gibbs this had come out better!!!

[mcalderone10]

Just add lavar arrington to the list of guys who have been the heads of the skins locker rooms smoot, bailey, steven davis, brian mitchell...etc. This shows how much its just busness they don't care about keeping players who've been on the team for so many years and done so much for the team. This is y we haven't gotten anywhere. No leadership. You don't get leadership by being the highest paid player you earn it over the years. You earn it ending troy "ache in my back i never want to play against lavar arrington because he will literally rip my head off if there is a next time" aikman's career. F the cowboys. if you forgot about that watch it 800 times like i have. He has the fear. I don't think i'm the only one who doesn't just want him on my team because he's a great player i want him on our team because i don't want to play against him. Now that he's been released he could go to any team including the giants (like antonio pierce) or the cowboys(F them) so for any of you who say i'm glad he's gone just wait till we have to play him and you take the blame for any deaths on the field

56 LAVAR thanks for being a skin good luck to you

[Schneed10]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2355921

Not sure if this was posted in here or not:

Per ESPN, the moves saves us $4.2 million in cap room this year, as he forfeited $4.2 million in guarantees. That means the bonuses that were accelerated to the 2006 season were reduced by $4.2 million.

Smart move for the Skins. That means before any restructures, we're $16 million over the cap. After Brunell, Portis, Thomas, Jansen, Wynn, and Springs restructured, we should be able to get under the cap just by releasing our bums (Bowen, Harris, Noble, etc).

[Paintrain]

Good luck Lavar.. Hope to see you do well (preferably in the AFC) wherever you land..

[freddyg12]

This sucks for several different reasons; a face of the franchise is gone, a guy who might be on the verge of maturing as a person & player, and the whole thing has just been bad karma. WE still don't know who's right or wrong in this, though all of us probably hate the postons.
But if things couldn't be mended w/Lavar here, I commend Gibbs for brokering the deal this past year to restructure his contract & mgmt. now for not letting this thing fester like the 6.5 bonus dispute did.
This looks like another poor biz move by Lavar, kinda like him not giving the nfl permission to sell his jerseys a few years back. If he thinks he's gonna get big $ this year, he may be surprised. My early pick is Arizona, they have the $ and would probably love to have someone w/his star appeal. He wants to play in Pitt, & probably would for less $. Sadly, philly is in position to sign him to & he's a Pa. native.

But, you never know, since teams can rescind the cuts they've made during the cba negotiations, maybe just maybe, Lavar will realize this was a mistake & Danny et al will welcome him back like the prodigal son, at a discounted rate of course. This is highly, highly unlikely, but its not unlikely that Lavar will realize this is not the best business move for him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

This sucks for several different reasons; a face of the franchise is gone, a guy who might be on the verge of maturing as a person & player, and the whole thing has just been bad karma. WE still don't know who's right or wrong in this, though all of us probably hate the postons.
But if things couldn't be mended w/Lavar here, I commend Gibbs for brokering the deal this past year to restructure his contract & mgmt. now for not letting this thing fester like the 6.5 bonus dispute did.
This looks like another poor biz move by Lavar, kinda like him not giving the nfl permission to sell his jerseys a few years back. If he thinks he's gonna get big $ this year, he may be surprised. My early pick is Arizona, they have the $ and would probably love to have someone w/his star appeal. He wants to play in Pitt, & probably would for less $. Sadly, philly is in position to sign him to & he's a Pa. native.

But, you never know, since teams can rescind the cuts they've made during the cba negotiations, maybe just maybe, Lavar will realize this was a mistake & Danny et al will welcome him back like the prodigal son, at a discounted rate of course. This is highly, highly unlikely, but its not unlikely that Lavar will realize this is not the best business move for him.

LA is gone and he's not coming back no matter what. This is a great move for the team as LA was highly overpaid and highly over-rated. LA was a good LB but never materialized into the great player most of us expected he would become.

[Schneed10]

It's a good bet SD picks him up if they can afford it. He loved playing for Marty, and Marty loved him.

[firstdown]

I think Lavar and Williams have had issues the whole time that Williams has been with Washington. Williams will probably be here for a while and our next head coach. The team and Lavar know this and may have just thought it was time to part ways.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I think Lavar and Williams have had issues the whole time that Williams has been with Washington. Williams will probably be here for a while and our next head coach. The team and Lavar know this and may have just thought it was time to part ways.

Yup. I agree wholeheartedly. I think the person most dissillusioned with LaVar was Williams. I have said it before and I will say it again: When GW came here, he was counting on LA to be the defensive force w/in his scheme. For reasons known only to him (though guessed at by the majority of us) GW was quickly dissuaded of that notion. LaVar had a few big games for GW, including the TBay game, but, nevertheless, he just didn't seem to "get it". LaVar WAS the face of the team when it was disorganized and losing. He stuck by it and truly wanted to win - but when push came to shove, he chaffed under the discipline and self-sacrifice demanded of winners in this league (see - M. Lewis, G. Williams). And, unfortunately (and unlike Ramsey), he needed to make his discomfort known. He reveled in the fan adoration during his success, but he seemed to need the fans, rather than the coaches, to love him during his most recent problems.

LaVar, at his peak, was an exceptional talent who clearly was able to cover for any lack of discipline by his sheer speed, strenght, and instincts. Now, however, his speed is called into question, and the defense he played in relies more on team scheme/cohesion rather than individual instinct.

LaVar may be successful somewhere else (SD has been mentioned, but I doubt it as Marty appears to be on the outs w/ ownership there), but he will always ALWAYS break some D Coordinator's heart by just not doing the small things he is supposed to do. He never has, and likely never will.

I am not here to rehash the debate on LaVar v. Gibbs/Williams/the Great Conspiracy. These are just my opinions (which I believe to be well supported).

He is in many ways a class guy. He is, in my opinion and in many ways, also a bit of head case. I wish him well and hope he has success in all his endeavors (except when playing the Skins).

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

Not quite yet. You just KNOW this thing will hang around for MONTHS (especially if he goes to an NFC East team).

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yup. I agree wholeheartedly. I think the person most dissillusioned with LaVar was Williams. I have said it before and I will say it again: When GW came here, he was counting on LA to be the defensive force w/in his scheme. For reasons known only to him (though guessed at by the majority of us) GW was quickly dissuaded of that notion. LaVar had a few big games for GW, including the TBay game, but, nevertheless, he just didn't seem to "get it". LaVar WAS the face of the team when it was disorganized and losing. He stuck by it and truly wanted to win - but when push came to shove, he chaffed under the discipline and self-sacrifice demanded of winners in this league (see - M. Lewis, G. Williams). And, unfortunately (and unlike Ramsey), he needed to make his discomfort known. He reveled in the fan adoration during his success, but he seemed to need the fans, rather than the coaches, to love him during his most recent problems.

LaVar, at his peak, was an exceptional talent who clearly was able to cover for any lack of discipline by his sheer speed, strenght, and instincts. Now, however, his speed is called into question, and the defense he played in relies more on team scheme/cohesion rather than individual instinct.

LaVar may be successful somewhere else (SD has been mentioned, but I doubt it as Marty appears to be on the outs w/ ownership there), but he will always ALWAYS break some D Coordinator's heart by just not doing the small things he is supposed to do. He never has, and likely never will.

I am not here to rehash the debate on LaVar v. Gibbs/Williams/the Great Conspiracy. These are just my opinions (which I believe to be well supported).

He is in many ways a class guy. He is, in my opinion and in many ways, also a bit of head case. I wish him well and hope he has success in all his endeavors (except when playing the Skins).

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

Well said. when coaches are willing to publicly chide a player, they're really frustrated.