Alex Smith’s Amazing Comeback(?)

[skinsfaninok]

It's pretty remarkable and he actually looks good

[AnonEmouse]

I hope he can actually win a roster spot. Guys saying he should retire should consider that if he does come back, even as #2, he'll have earned the spot and been cleared by docs to compete, and will have won a spot against competition, not from being treated special. Can't see RR ever letting a roster spot go to a guy through sympathy or purely for financial reasons. Good luck to him.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I hope he can actually win a roster spot. Guys saying he should retire should consider that if he does come back, even as #2, he'll have earned the spot and been cleared by docs to compete, and will have won a spot against competition, not from being treated special. Can't see RR ever letting a roster spot go to a guy through sympathy or purely for financial reasons. Good luck to him.

Not to mention the injury ... as gruesome as it was ... was so bad because of the infection which is not something that lingers. He is at no more risk to break that leg at this point than anyone else.

[MTK]

I thought this was interesting

Alex Smith needs brace to aid movement of his foot, per his physician

[Warthog]

The best thing about Alex Smith is that he is a FANTASTIC MENTOR. He will help tutor Haskins as he did in Kansas City with Mahommes. I hope he makes the #2 QB spot and can push and mentor Dwayne. But everyone will be holding their breath whenever there is pressure on Alex.


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[SunnySide]

Alex being cleared to play, while a courageous story, was the worst possible outcome for the team in terms of winning.

If Alex failed his physical, the Skins could have put him on the PUP and gained 12M in future cap credits. Since he passed the physical, you cant PUP him, no 12M in cap credit and he will have to carry 3 QBs on the active roster. An active roster spot that will be taken by a player that will not be taking a single snap all season.

Best case scenario - he failed the physical, we carry 2 Qbs, we get 12M in cap credit, cut him in 2021 and absorb about 10M in dead cap.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Alex being cleared to play, while a courageous story, was the worst possible outcome for the team in terms of winning.

If Alex failed his physical, the Skins could have put him on the PUP and gained 12M in future cap credits. Since he passed the physical, you cant PUP him, no 12M in cap credit and he will have to carry 3 QBs on the active roster. An active roster spot that will be taken by a player that will not be taking a single snap all season.

Best case scenario - he failed the physical, we carry 2 Qbs, we get 12M in cap credit, cut him in 2021 and absorb about 10M in dead cap.

You’re right about the 3 Qb’s and cap credit BUT if Alex can help Haskins to have a good year and can mentor him to the level of being the future franchise QB for the next decade, wouldn’t it be worth it???

When was the last time the WFT had a young, franchise QB with a bright and long-time future? Green? Rhypien? (RG3 was a one-season wonder, but got hurt before that season even ended), Theisman? Smith helped Dwayne last season and will do the same this year, as long as Haskins can keep growing.


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[MTK]

The leg brace that allows Alex Smith to play football

Pretty amazing

[Monkeydad]

Wow, thanks for posting that...great read.

[Burgold]

A great human interest story of courage, with that said Alex should retire and not press his luck, let's face it he's never gonna be what he was in the pocket so just walk away and coach.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Burgold

A great human interest story of courage, with that said Alex should retire and not press his luck, let's face it he's never gonna be what he was in the pocket so just walk away and coach.

Alex just did the unthinkable. He can do whatever the F he wants in my book.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Alex just did the unthinkable. He can do whatever the F he wants in my book.

This

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Alex just did the unthinkable. He can do whatever the F he wants in my book.

In an ideal world yes, but as far as playing QB in the NFL again, or at least starting, he's got a lot to prove, not just his ability to take hits. It's not up to him IF he can't play better than any of the 32 starting QB's in the league. But truth is, the fact he can play at all has taken that decision out of his own hands. The team could (and arguably should) have released him last year, but they stuck by him, and now it makes sense to at least keep him around until next year, when cutting him would give us a 'smaller' cap hit of, I believe, $10.4M.

But will he play well enough again, indeed especially here, to warrant keeping him on a starters salary? If we draft the new wunderkind, and logically keep Allen as backup, Smith would again be #3, assuming he couldn't become #1 or 2 in camp. We could hardly justify keeping a #3 let alone such an expensive one. But he's still not likely available to other teams until the spring, and he'll be 37 with little playing time in 3 years (assuming Allen doesn't get hurt again or shit the bed). Who's going to give him the chance to win the starters job at that age, with that lack of recent playing time? With the likely 2 or 3 top QB's in next years draft, there's going to be younger QB's available with a better portfolio of recent game film that can probably compete better for the #2 job, let alone starters. I just can't see a market for him unless he comes onto the field again this year and wow's us. And considering he hardly wowed us before the injury...

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

In an ideal world yes, but as far as playing QB in the NFL again, or at least starting, he's got a lot to prove, not just his ability to take hits. It's not up to him IF he can't play better than any of the 32 starting QB's in the league. But truth is, the fact he can play at all has taken that decision out of his own hands. The team could (and arguably should) have released him last year, but they stuck by him, and now it makes sense to at least keep him around until next year, when cutting him would give us a 'smaller' cap hit of, I believe, $10.4M.

But will he play well enough again, indeed especially here, to warrant keeping him on a starters salary? If we draft the new wunderkind, and logically keep Allen as backup, Smith would again be #3, assuming he couldn't become #1 or 2 in camp. We could hardly justify keeping a #3 let alone such an expensive one. But he's still not likely available to other teams until the spring, and he'll be 37 with little playing time in 3 years (assuming Allen doesn't get hurt again or shit the bed). Who's going to give him the chance to win the starters job at that age, with that lack of recent playing time? With the likely 2 or 3 top QB's in next years draft, there's going to be younger QB's available with a better portfolio of recent game film that can probably compete better for the #2 job, let alone starters. I just can't see a market for him unless he comes onto the field again this year and wow's us. And considering he hardly wowed us before the injury...

Smith showed that he has little to offer as the backup. Even when he brought the team to 6-2 in 2018, defenses had finally figured how to stop him. Put “8 in the box” and daring Alex to throw long. They were crushing Alex when he got hurt in 2018 and this last game when he took 6 sacks. Of course, part of it is that our OL is full of holes. Glad to see Martin moved out as the LG.

Smith was rusty and may play again if Allen is hurt. It is interesting that Smith is exactly the same type of passer as BRUNNELL, who also was an aged QB who loved the dunk and dunk sort of pass games. Why do we keep bringing in guys like that? Because SNYDER was making the personnel decisions. He’s happy to win 5-6 wins, so he can say, “Winning is just around the corner”. That’s what you get with that sort of passer.

Smith probably will retire and perhaps coach like Zorn did. But he is WAY, WAY too expensive as a backup. On this team, he will be gone. He had a amazing comeback and he was a wonderful tutor to Haskins but the NFL of 2020 has passed him by. You need to be a great passer with excellent mobility for this league. That’s what we’ll draft next year in the draft.


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[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Warthog

Smith showed that he has little to offer as the backup. Even when he brought the team to 6-2, defenses figured how to stop him. Put “8 in the box” and daring Alex to throw long. They were crushing Alex when he got hurt in 2018 and this last game when he took 6 sacks. Of course, part of it is that our OL is full of holes. Glad to see Martin moved out as the LG.

Smith was rusty and may play again if Allen is hurt. It is interesting that Smith is exactly the same type of passer as BRUNNELL, who also was an aged QB who loved the dunk and dunk sort of pass games. Why do we keep bringing in guys like that? Because SNYDER was making the personnel decisions. He’s happy to win 5-6 wins, so he can say, “Winning is just around the corner”. That’s what you get with that sort of passer.

Smith probably will retire and perhaps coach like Zorn did. But he is WAY, WAY too expensive as a backup. On this team, he will be gone. He had a amazing comeback and he was a wonderful tutor to Haskins but the NFL of 2020 has passed him by. You need to be a great passer with excellent mobility for this league. That’s what we’ll draft next year in the draft.


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I'm sorry, but I disagree with you about Brunell. He was one of my favorite players here, along with Stephen Davis, and Champ Bailey. Joe Gibbs' first year back in 2004 was obviously not successful, and Mark Brunell IMO bore a lot of the blame when it wasn't 100% his fault. Compare in 2005, what a great year he had. Over 3K yards passing, 23 TD's, and 10 INT's. He was throwing the ball downfield well. Remember those two bombs he throw to Santana Moss to beat the Cowboys? I'll never forget that game.

I'll still never know why they brought in Al Saunders and his 2 thousand page playbook in 2006. Joe Gibbs' offense was pretty good in 05'. But it made us suck, because nobody knew what they hell they were doing. Cooley has said it many times. Brunell had to go with the dink and dunk because it was the safe easy throw when nobody knew what else they were doing out on the field. I will always believe that Brunell was the scapegoat for an entire team that was underperforming.