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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Seattle was not loaded before Pete Carroll and John Schneider arrived in 2010. They have done a much better job with the draft than Shanahan and Allen have. They only used one high draft choice on their excellent defensive backfield, Earl Thomas in the first round. Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor were both 5th round picks.
Saying that they had no injuries is also inaccurate considering that their top FA pickup, Percy Harvin, essentially missed the entire year. Bottom line, they've built the right way - excellent drafting and player development. They had a blueprint and stuck with it. I fear that this offseason will be a return of free spending like there is no tomorrow around here. That is no way to sustain success, as Snyder has proven over and over again.

There's a big difference between Harvin's injury and RG3's injury. Seattle is defensive team, whose main offensive threat is the Lynch's running game. Seattle is not a passing team nor are they an "offensive juggernaut" (thanks to their defense) that could be easily affected by the loss of a WR.

Seattle has had their hits and misses just like any other team, they've just been fortunate in some aspects.

People forget how they paid $26 mil for Matt Flynn and didn't work out. They were lucky they had a competent starter in Wilson, otherwise they would have been up the creek without a paddle in terms of QBs.

Seattle has been fortunate that Marshawn Lynch worked out for them at all, after having such difficulties in Buffalo. He is their number one offensive weapon and one of the reasons they made the playoffs last year and this year.

They've done a good job in the past two drafts and have gotten good production out of low rounders. But they've been fortunate in other areas and haven't suffered through some of the catastrophes the Redskins have had to deal with (RG3 injury/cap penalty, etc., etc.).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

There's a big difference between Harvin's injury and RG3's injury. Seattle is defensive team, whose main offensive threat is the Lynch's running game. Seattle is not a passing team nor are they an "offensive juggernaut" (thanks to their defense) that could be easily affected by the loss of a WR.

Seattle has had their hits and misses just like any other team, they've just been fortunate in some aspects.

People forget how they paid $26 mil for Matt Flynn and didn't work out. They were lucky they had a competent starter in Wilson, otherwise they would have been up the creek without a paddle in terms of QBs.

Seattle has been fortunate that Marshawn Lynch worked out for them at all, after having such difficulties in Buffalo. He is their number one offensive weapon and one of the reasons they made the playoffs last year and this year.

They've done a good job in the past two drafts and have gotten good production out of low rounders. But they've been fortunate in other areas and haven't suffered through some of the catastrophes the Redskins have had to deal with (RG3 injury/cap penalty, etc., etc.).

How were they lucky? You act as though they picked Wilson up off of the street. He was a drafted player and there was competition for the job. Wilson won the job because he was better than Flynn. There are no politics in Seattle. Carroll preaches competition and Wilson won that competition.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How were they lucky? You act as though they picked Wilson up off of the street. He was a drafted player and there was competition for the job. Wilson won the job because he was better than Flynn. There are no politics in Seattle. Carroll preaches competition and Wilson won that competition.

Yes, but people act like Pete Carroll and his GM are flawless. Just pointing out that they made a mistake with Flynn and they were lucky that Wilson (a 3rd rounder) worked out the way he did. I'm sure Carroll thought of Wilson as their QB of the future and Flynn as the short term solution. Luckily, their QB of the future was able to play very well.

When our team f*cked up and got a FA QB (McNabb) who sucked, we were not so lucky.

[whistler]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Seattle was not loaded before Pete Carroll and John Schneider arrived in 2010. They have done a much better job with the draft than Shanahan and Allen have. They only used one high draft choice on their excellent defensive backfield, Earl Thomas in the first round. Richard Sherman and Kam Chancellor were both 5th round picks.
Saying that they had no injuries is also inaccurate considering that their top FA pickup, Percy Harvin, essentially missed the entire year. Bottom line, they've built the right way - excellent drafting and player development. They had a blueprint and stuck with it. I fear that this offseason will be a return of free spending like there is no tomorrow around here. That is no way to sustain success, as Snyder has proven over and over again.

Seattle actually let their low round picks play, not lock them on the practice squad or in the doghouse for coachable mistakes,
Shanny wasn't into preparing a team to compete, most of the opening games of the 4 seasons he was here were played poorly,their games after the bye week were always terrible, he didn't do a great job here of coaching and grooming young players, that's why he preferred veterans.

[MTK]

Q&A: Sean McVay - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

McVay is going to serve as QB coach, Gruden to call the plays.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Q&A: Sean McVay - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN

McVay is going to serve as QB coach, Gruden to call the plays.

So he's not the OC then, which is fine JG did a good job in CIN

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So he's not the OC then, which is fine JG did a good job in CIN

Not every OC calls plays

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So he's not the OC then, which is fine JG did a good job in CIN

He is the offensive coordinator. He'll fill in when Gruden needs him to - whether if it is running meetings, offensive drills in practice, whatever is needed...he'll also help to game plan with Gruden. He just won't be calling plays on game day.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So he's not the OC then, which is fine JG did a good job in CIN

I think Lotus needs to chime in with the "why can't we be normal" chant now.

Rather than having everybody step into their new roles, it almost seems like the whole offensive staff will have a bit less than the normal at their position. HC's in this day and age have too many other issues, time management, challenges and reviews, etc, for them to be calling plays. And since the defensive side will be Haslett's I guess, that means rather than a HC/OC/DC model we will be in more of a NYJ type model where the HC is mostly concerned about one side of the ball. I don't really like that model.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think Lotus needs to chime in with the "why can't we be normal" chant now.

Rather than having everybody step into their new roles, it almost seems like the whole offensive staff will have a bit less than the normal at their position. HC's in this day and age have too many other issues, time management, challenges and reviews, etc, for them to be calling plays. And since the defensive side will be Haslett's I guess, that means rather than a HC/OC/DC model we will be in more of a NYJ type model where the HC is mostly concerned about one side of the ball. I don't really like that model.

Ha! Now the shoe is on the other foot!

Our model seems to work ok for the Saints. Payton is essentially OC and play caller for them.

But in light of this and your well-taken critique, the question then becomes, "Is Jay Gruden the next Sean Payton?"

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not every OC calls plays

True just didn't know of he was the official OC but it appears as he is

[Lotus]

Redskin great Jerry Smith will be on "A Football Life" tonight at 9 EST. Should be interesting.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Redskin great Jerry Smith will be on "A Football Life" tonight at 9 EST. Should be interesting.

can't wait to see it. can't believe the guy died at 43.

[That Guy]

sign rak/hall/riley, get byrd/OT/WR, draft OG. i wouldn't mind another CB or swapping hall for talib etc either. i think we've got enough money to get it done, especially with the old guys we'll be able to toss this year.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Good call on Riley. I think Reed based on his draft status has been about where we should have expected him to be. I think Jackson is a great role player, but I still would be SUPER nervous about him starting.