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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would rather have Wilson and the 3 picks back. I think both guys are pretty close ability wise, one isn't significantly better than the other. But Wilson obviously plays for a better team and stronger organization.

Hey I want those picks back too lol in sure we all do but it's in the past, no need to be all down about the trade now. I think both will be starters in the league for a long time but I don't see Wilson being better in the long run just my opinion.

[redskins5044]

Yep with hindsight being 50/50...lol....most of us would take the picks back and have Wilson, but we can't so we have to hope RG3 can become an elite QB.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Yep with hindsight being 50/50...lol....most of us would take the picks back and have Wilson, but we can't so we have to hope RG3 can become an elite QB.

Why? Wilson is nothing special. He's not asked to carry the load and has no pressure on him with Lynch and that defense. He rarely throws for 250 yards and doesn't even top 200 most games. He'll go a few games passing with 60-70% accuracy and then have a string where he completes 40-50%. Kaepernick is the same way. Put him on a team where he's forced to be the one to win games, like Griffin's spot or most other teams in the league and I doubt he'd succeed. Seattle and San Fran are mirror images make-up wise and they're unique situations in a league that has become a pass-first league that requires a franchise QB. These two teams are still wining in the old mold of defense and a strong run game. Both teams win despite who their QBs are, not because of them. Wilson and Kaep have their moments and highlights but neither are the reason their teams are in the NFC Championship.

Griffin has more raw talent than both. He's faster with a stronger arm and until this season, was more accurate. I believe this season will be an anomaly in his career when we look back. Cam Newton was written off by everyone, including myself after his sophomore slump and we're hearing the same things about Griffin. We've seen what he can do. Also, no one can be expected to come back immediately after his surgery without any offseason work and pick up where he left off. Mike Shanahan made a lot of mistakes but his benching of Griffin at the end of this season so he'll have a full offseason might end up being a blessing. I was in the "he needs reps" camp, but missing two straight offseasons could be a career and franchise killer.

He'll be the better QB in the long run. Luck may have more success, at least for the next few years, but both of them will prove to be worth what the teams paid for them.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Why? Wilson is nothing special. He's not asked to carry the load and has no pressure on him with Lynch and that defense. He rarely throws for 250 yards and doesn't even top 200 most games. He'll go a few games passing with 60-70% accuracy and then have a string where he completes 40-50%. Kaepernick is the same way. Put him on a team where he's forced to be the one to win games, like Griffin's spot or most other teams in the league and I doubt he'd succeed. Seattle and San Fran are mirror images make-up wise and they're unique situations in a league that has become a pass-first league that requires a franchise QB. These two teams are still wining in the old mold of defense and a strong run game. Both teams win despite who their QBs are, not because of them. Wilson and Kaep have their moments and highlights but neither are the reason their teams are in the NFC Championship.

Griffin has more raw talent than both. He's faster with a stronger arm and until this season, was more accurate. I believe this season will be an anomaly in his career when we look back. Cam Newton was written off by everyone, including myself after his sophomore slump and we're hearing the same things about Griffin. We've seen what he can do. Also, no one can be expected to come back immediately after his surgery without any offseason work and pick up where he left off. Mike Shanahan made a lot of mistakes but his benching of Griffin at the end of this season so he'll have a full offseason might end up being a blessing. I was in the "he needs reps" camp, but missing two straight offseasons could be a career and franchise killer.

He'll be the better QB in the long run. Luck may have more success, at least for the next few years, but both of them will prove to be worth what the teams paid for them.

Didn't Griffin have these same kind of games in 2012? When we clinched the division against Dallas I don't think Griffin had 100 yards passing. Nothing wrong with your Qb running a conservative offense when you have a dominant run game and great defense. I'll take our 2012 offense over the one I saw this year.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Didn't Griffin have these same kind of games in 2012? When we clinched the division against Dallas I don't think Griffin had 100 yards passing. Nothing wrong with your Qb running a conservative offense when you have a dominant run game and great defense. I'll take our 2012 offense over the one I saw this year.

To be fair, it was exactly 100 yards, but I don't mind giving the credit to AlfMo and the defense since Griffin wasn't anywhere near 100%. Even watching that game you could tell they weren't trying to get him to do too much.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Didn't Griffin have these same kind of games in 2012? When we clinched the division against Dallas I don't think Griffin had 100 yards passing. Nothing wrong with your Qb running a conservative offense when you have a dominant run game and great defense. I'll take our 2012 offense over the one I saw this year.

Difference is Griffin had a bum knee that game, not saying Wilson is bad but he is vastly overrated. Good QB but the way people talk about him you would think his bust is in Canton already.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Difference is Griffin had a bum knee that game, not saying Wilson is bad but he is vastly overrated. Good QB but the way people talk about him you would think his bust is in Canton already.

But even before he got hurt he had games where he didn't have big passing stats. But he was having an impact off of the zone read and opening holes up for Morris and running the ball. I believe RG3 had 3200 yards in 15 starts.

I don't think Wilson, Kap or RG3 will ever be 5,000 passers, but they can still be very good QB's. It's not all about stats.

[NC_Skins]

Peyton Manning explains 'Omaha' meaning (kind of) - NFL.com

The look he gives her when she asked the question was hilarious.

[Monkeydad]

I was wondering why Omaha. I know what it's for, just wondering why that choice.

Also, I think the networks are cranking up a microphone on Manning. His snap counts are so much more audible than other QBs.


Love his reaction though. I bet pro athletes are so sick of dealing with nimrods in the media, whether they'd admit it or not.


Next game, he should change Omaha to El Paso just to confuse the reporters.

[Chico23231]

Jets, Rex Ryan agree to multi-year contract | ProFootballTalk

good for the fat man

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Jets, Rex Ryan agree to multi-year contract | ProFootballTalk

good for the fat man

Good move, last thing they need is "coach in final year of contract" drama over there.



And I just had to laugh at this:

Jimmy Haslam, owner of Cleveland Browns, preaches patience - ESPN

[MTK]

Odd that "omaha" is just now getting attention, Eli and others have been saying it for years, among many other things they use for audibles or just part of the snap count. Is this really news?? Good lord.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Odd that "omaha" is just now getting attention, Eli and others have been saying it for years, among many other things they use for audibles or just part of the snap count. Is this really news?? Good lord.

It's called PEYTON MANNING, I love watching the guy but I'm ready for him and TB to retire. Gets old

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

It's called PEYTON MANNING, I love watching the guy but I'm ready for him and TB to retire. Gets old

ESPN's ready for life without them.

ESPN The Mag Body Issue 2013: Colin Kaepernick - ESPN Video - ESPN

Should Russell Wilson Try Baseball? - ESPN Video - ESPN

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Odd that "omaha" is just now getting attention, Eli and others have been saying it for years, among many other things they use for audibles or just part of the snap count. Is this really news?? Good lord.

Instant news cycles take five years to set in.

Related: I really think the Shanahans have this team on the right track, should see some payoff soon.