Redskins' Purported Ideal Starters

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-26-2004, 12:43 PM

According to the Washington Times, the following is what Gibbs, Cerrato, and Snyder envision as the starting lineup:

Dline: Wynn, Coleman (Raiders FA), Griffin (Giants FA), Kearse (Titans FA)
LBs: Arrington, Trotter, Holdman (Bears FA)
CBs: Smoot, Springs (Seahawks FA)
SS/FS: Bowen, Taylor (I think?)

Oline: Samuels, Dockery, ???, Thomas, Jansen
WRs: Coles, Gardner
TE: Kleinsasser (Vikings FA)
QB: Brunell (Jaguars Trade)/Ramsey
RB: Portis (Broncos Trade)
FB: Johnson

Not bad at all, I don’t see any major holes

JWsleep · 02-26-2004, 12:47 PM

Wow! Can they really do this? What does it mean for us in the longer term (3-4 years)? Will they have to restructure Samuels to make it go? Looks pretty good to me, and I would love to *GET* Taylor. He'd make up for the champ loss, and make the whole secondary better, to say nothing of his hitting and run support.

MTK · 02-26-2004, 12:48 PM

No Wistrom? I think he'd be a great fit and would be much cheaper than Kearse.

redwagonskins · 02-26-2004, 12:52 PM

that does look nice but it seems we always win the preseason superbowl and few actual games. Remember the Bruce Smith/ Deion days? We couldn't lose, right? This looks great but we need to get some consistency especially on d-line so guys learn they can count on the guy next to them. If not, we'll just keep going through this carousel every off-season.

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 02-26-2004, 12:52 PM

WAIT! You all are forgetting about a HUGE hole in the lineup - We don't have a punter!

We're soooo screwed!

Seriously - can some of you smart guys do the math on a lineup like this before we all get excited and speculative on it? I don't see how the salary cap would allow for all of them....
:confused:

JWsleep · 02-26-2004, 12:55 PM

What's the link to the times article?

JWsleep · 02-26-2004, 12:56 PM

Duh. It's on the newswire. Thanks, RF.

MTK · 02-26-2004, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

that does look nice but it seems we always win the preseason superbowl and few actual games. Remember the Bruce Smith/ Deion days? We couldn't lose, right? This looks great but we need to get some consistency especially on d-line so guys learn they can count on the guy next to them. If not, we'll just keep going through this carousel every off-season.

The biggest difference is we never had a coaching staff like this one. I'd be willing to bet things would have been much different in 2000 if Gibbs was here.

AnonEmouse · 02-26-2004, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ade Jimoh Fan Club

WAIT! You all are forgetting about a HUGE hole in the lineup - We don't have a punter!

We're soooo screwed!

Look for a trade of the #5 pick for other picks. Then look for us to draft a punter. In the end there's still FA. Nobody can seriously say we are screwed before the trades and FA moves take place, let alone the draft.

Chill, have faith.

Gmanc711 · 02-26-2004, 01:01 PM

As would I, we just fell apart in the middle of the year, that has to do somthing with coaching. We were 5-2 and on top of the world, with Gibbs it would have been different. Plus all the FA's there were older. Yeah but we need the math done on that, cause that could be expensive

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-26-2004, 01:03 PM

We still have a 5th round pick which could be used for a good punter or we could go after someone via trade/FA. I'm sure there will be someone.

I think all of these signings could be done for relatively reasonable amount of money without screwing our cap (except the Kearse deal). They are also targeting Deon Grant of the Panthers and maybe they'd take Udeze instead of Taylor in the draft.

As to the idea of getting Wistrom, while I like it, he's going to be very expensive and doesn't give us the pass rush we need (like Kearse will).

Beemnseven · 02-26-2004, 03:04 PM

I'm sorry, but, am I the only one who expresses concern at an article like this that basically tells the world what our plans are?

Is this a direct quote from Gibbs? Or is it a writer's prediction?

If I were any other team, especially in our division, I would make at least an attempt to snatch up exactly the players that are mentioned.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-26-2004, 03:11 PM

It's probably just speculation based on incomplete information. I don't think that too many teams outside our conference will alter their plans based on ours and I doubt those in our division will significantly alter theirs. Most people already know who's out there, where we have needs, and what our probable plans are anyways.

Besides, this info would be leaked as soon as we got into negotiations with the players' agents since the agents always look to start bidding wars.

drew54 · 02-26-2004, 03:38 PM

Johnson at full back?!?!? What about The ROCK?

offiss · 02-26-2004, 03:52 PM

going after another LB? I like pierce a lot I hope he get's a real shot this year, he has a nose for the ball.

02-26-2004, 12:43 PM	#1
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Redskins' Purported Ideal Starters According to the Washington Times, the following is what Gibbs, Cerrato, and Snyder envision as the starting lineup: Dline: Wynn, Coleman (Raiders FA), Griffin (Giants FA), Kearse (Titans FA) LBs: Arrington, Trotter, Holdman (Bears FA) CBs: Smoot, Springs (Seahawks FA) SS/FS: Bowen, Taylor (I think?) Oline: Samuels, Dockery, ???, Thomas, Jansen WRs: Coles, Gardner TE: Kleinsasser (Vikings FA) QB: Brunell (Jaguars Trade)/Ramsey RB: Portis (Broncos Trade) FB: Johnson Not bad at all, I don’t see any major holes

02-26-2004, 12:47 PM	#2
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Wow! Can they really do this? What does it mean for us in the longer term (3-4 years)? Will they have to restructure Samuels to make it go? Looks pretty good to me, and I would love to GET Taylor. He'd make up for the champ loss, and make the whole secondary better, to say nothing of his hitting and run support. __________________ Hail from Houston!

02-26-2004, 12:55 PM	#6
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	What's the link to the times article? __________________ Hail from Houston!

02-26-2004, 12:56 PM	#7
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Duh. It's on the newswire. Thanks, RF. __________________ Hail from Houston!

02-26-2004, 01:01 PM	#10
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	As would I, we just fell apart in the middle of the year, that has to do somthing with coaching. We were 5-2 and on top of the world, with Gibbs it would have been different. Plus all the FA's there were older. Yeah but we need the math done on that, cause that could be expensive __________________ #21

02-26-2004, 12:48 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	No Wistrom? I think he'd be a great fit and would be much cheaper than Kearse.

02-26-2004, 12:52 PM	#4
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	that does look nice but it seems we always win the preseason superbowl and few actual games. Remember the Bruce Smith/ Deion days? We couldn't lose, right? This looks great but we need to get some consistency especially on d-line so guys learn they can count on the guy next to them. If not, we'll just keep going through this carousel every off-season.

02-26-2004, 12:52 PM	#5
Ade Jimoh Fan Club Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 410	WAIT! You all are forgetting about a HUGE hole in the lineup - We don't have a punter! We're soooo screwed! Seriously - can some of you smart guys do the math on a lineup like this before we all get excited and speculative on it? I don't see how the salary cap would allow for all of them.... :confused:

02-26-2004, 01:03 PM	#11
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	We still have a 5th round pick which could be used for a good punter or we could go after someone via trade/FA. I'm sure there will be someone. I think all of these signings could be done for relatively reasonable amount of money without screwing our cap (except the Kearse deal). They are also targeting Deon Grant of the Panthers and maybe they'd take Udeze instead of Taylor in the draft. As to the idea of getting Wistrom, while I like it, he's going to be very expensive and doesn't give us the pass rush we need (like Kearse will).

02-26-2004, 03:04 PM	#12
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	I'm sorry, but, am I the only one who expresses concern at an article like this that basically tells the world what our plans are? Is this a direct quote from Gibbs? Or is it a writer's prediction? If I were any other team, especially in our division, I would make at least an attempt to snatch up exactly the players that are mentioned.

02-26-2004, 03:11 PM	#13
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	It's probably just speculation based on incomplete information. I don't think that too many teams outside our conference will alter their plans based on ours and I doubt those in our division will significantly alter theirs. Most people already know who's out there, where we have needs, and what our probable plans are anyways. Besides, this info would be leaked as soon as we got into negotiations with the players' agents since the agents always look to start bidding wars.

02-26-2004, 03:38 PM	#14
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Johnson at full back?!?!? What about The ROCK?

02-26-2004, 03:52 PM	#15
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	going after another LB? I like pierce a lot I hope he get's a real shot this year, he has a nose for the ball.

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