Are the Changes really an improvement???

[lifetimeskin]

I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:

1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.

On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.

However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.

my 2 cents

[CPAlltheWay012]

you probably should change your avatar

[Longtimefan]

It remains to be seen. I'll be perfectly content to at least give whatever changes being implemented an opportunity to have a case made for it, right now any argument pro, or con would be pure conjecture. Let's give it all a chance to develop and see what transpires.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:

1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.

On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.

However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.

my 2 cents

well...
Gibbs retired so we sorta, kinda HAD to replace him.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:

1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.

On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.

However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.

my 2 cents

I agree with you completely.
The positive is this....what is on paper for the skins never translates well...(mostly coaches and stars not panning out)
Perhaps hiring lesser coaches on paper will actually become a benefit in reality

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:

1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.

On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.

However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.

my 2 cents

Well, it's not like we had any choice in the matter of having to hire a new head coach seeing as how Joe Gibbs retired. However, by your logic, is/was Williams > Gibbs? Nope.
Blache > Williams? Probably not, but Blache does get part of the credit for turning the defense around.
Zorn > Saunders? Looking at Saunders' total body of work, no at this point. Of course, we don't know what Zorn can do for us at the OC position, but we DO know what he can do for quarterbacks. Comparing them by just judging Saunders on what he's done in Washington, there wouldn't be much to improve on, so that's why the Zorn move was a good one.

[Campbell17]

No but I don't see that many other options right now.

[SouperMeister]

The best option would have been to promote Williams to HC, keep Al to continue progressing Jason Campbell, thus maintaining offensive and defensive continuity. The defense will be roughly the same with Blache, but with a new offense and new terminology, don't be surprised to see Campbell stagnate for another year or two. Asking a young QB to master 3 offenses in 4 years is no way to groom a franchise QB.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

The best option would have been to promote Williams to HC, keep Al to continue progressing Jason Campbell, thus maintaining offensive and defensive continuity. The defense will be roughly the same with Blache, but with a new offense and new terminology, don't be surprised to see Campbell stagnate for another year or two. Asking a young QB to master 3 offenses in 4 years is no way to groom a franchise QB.

Without a doubt there are many who share in your sentiment (including me) but the time has come to move on. Williams is gone, Saunders is gone, and that which is past and gone is irrevocable........Remember everything must change. In time, the changes could all prove to be for the better.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Without a doubt there are many who share in your sentiment (including me) but the time has come to move on. Williams is gone, Saunders is gone, and that which is past and gone is irrevocable........Remember everything must change. In time, the changes could all prove to be for the better.

With the firings of this past weekend, I cannot believe that Snyder gave guidance from Gibbs any credence. That's what I find most disappointing. Gibbs knew the pulse of this team better than anyone.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

With the firings of this past weekend, I cannot believe that Snyder gave guidance from Gibbs any credence. That's what I find most disappointing. Gibbs knew the pulse of this team better than anyone.

Well how do you know he didn't give Gibbs' guidance any credence?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

With the firings of this past weekend, I cannot believe that Snyder gave guidance from Gibbs any credence. That's what I find most disappointing. Gibbs knew the pulse of this team better than anyone.

I think many of us were disappointed with the way both Williams and Saunders were uncerimoniously released, it wreaked with disrespect as well as unappreciation. One would think they both would have been shown a little more common courtesy.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well how do you know he didn't give Gibbs' guidance any credence?

Why would Gibbs have asked Williams to remain in the hunt last week when Williams was ready to pull out when Fassel emerged as the leading candidate? That to me says that Gibbs advised Snyder that his first choice to succeed him was Williams. That's not just reading between the lines, that's commons sense.

[skinsfaninok]

I do think zorn's offense will help JC more, its similar to what he ran at Auburn so thats a good thing for JC. I don't think he was ever gonna be a "STAR" in the saunders system. As for Fassel not fossil he has a winning record and has gone to a SB with kerry collins!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Why would Gibbs have asked Williams to remain in the hunt last week when Williams was ready to pull out when Fassel emerged as the leading candidate? That to me says that Gibbs advised Snyder that his first choice to succeed him was Williams. That's not just reading between the lines, that's commons sense.

Yeah I agree that Gibbs apparently wanted Williams to succeed him, and that obviously isn't happening now. But I don't think it's fair to any of the parties involved to assume that's all Gibbs suggested.

For all we know, he also said:

-Someone needs to succeed Williams and I think Blache deserves it
-Olivadotti's contract is up. The players like him, let's make sure he gets an extension
-Scott Campbell has done a really good job scouting college players the last few years. He should be promoted

And so on. Incidentally, all of the above speaks to "continuity" I mean, I'm not saying this is what happened necessarily. But I don't think we should limit the whole conversation to what happened with Williams.