Defense let us down!

[ncskinsfanec]

The offense looked great today, but the defense was just terrible. Please don't blame Betts for the loss, if the defense could've held up to its end of the bargain we would have won big!

[cpayne5]

And if Betts could have *held on* to his end of the bargain, we win.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

And if Betts could have *held on* to his end of the bargain, we win.

True, but we had a two touchdown lead in the 3rd Quarter, the defense played like crap, and let the Rams get right back into it. It should've never come down to that Betts play.

[Brute44]

And if the Defense could have made more than 2 stops the entire 2nd half maybe we could have won. 500+ total yards give me a break.

[jdlea]

Yeah, the D played poorly, but guess what? They do that every single week now. I'm tired of Betts getting a pass on 2! fumbles that cost them games this season. The first one was against Tampa that would have put them ahead. Don't blame Betts? If he holds on, they win the f*ckin game! If the D stands up they win, too, yes. However, we could also make the case that if the coaching staff calls heads on the coin toss the Skins win the game. Ladell lost the football game with that fumble. Period. If he holds on to the football we don't put the D in that position. So, I don't wanna hear, don't blame Betts cause it shouldn't have come down to that. It shouldn't have come down to the D needing to get a stop. All he had to do was not fumble, but what does he do for the 6th time this season? Fumble the damn ball! What does he do on the second potential fourth quarter go ahead drive? Fumble! Tell me about how much better than Portis he is now...

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, the D played poorly, but guess what? They do that every single week now. I'm tired of Betts getting a pass on 2! fumbles that cost them games this season. The first one was against Tampa that would have put them ahead. Don't blame Betts? If he holds on, they win the f*ckin game! If the D stands up they win, too, yes. However, we could also make the case that if the coaching staff calls heads on the coin toss the Skins win the game. Ladell lost the football game with that fumble. Period. If he holds on to the football we don't put the D in that position. So, I don't wanna hear, don't blame Betts cause it shouldn't have come down to that. It shouldn't have come down to the D needing to get a stop. All he had to do was not fumble, but what does he do for the 6th time this season? Fumble the damn ball! What does he do on the second potential fourth quarter go ahead drive? Fumble! Tell me about how much better than Portis he is now...

No debating with you who's starting for us at RB next season. Yeah, Portis probably wouldn't have done that, but I still think Betts looks great and our defense just plain sucks.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I unquestionably put more of the blame on the defense than Betts. The defense was pathetic. But, as good as Betts was playing, he has an uncanny knack for fumbling when it really hurts.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

No debating with you who's starting for us at RB next season. Yeah, Portis probably wouldn't have done that, but I still think Betts looks great and our defense just plain sucks.

There's no doubt the D is garbage, but they've been garbage all year. They shouldn't have been in that position. All he has to do is NOT fumble. His strengths are: 1. running to daylight 2. Going down when the first defender touches him and 3. Fumbling the football.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, the D played poorly, but guess what? They do that every single week now. I'm tired of Betts getting a pass on 2! fumbles that cost them games this season. The first one was against Tampa that would have put them ahead. Don't blame Betts? If he holds on, they win the f*ckin game! If the D stands up they win, too, yes. However, we could also make the case that if the coaching staff calls heads on the coin toss the Skins win the game. Ladell lost the football game with that fumble. Period. If he holds on to the football we don't put the D in that position. So, I don't wanna hear, don't blame Betts cause it shouldn't have come down to that. It shouldn't have come down to the D needing to get a stop. All he had to do was not fumble, but what does he do for the 6th time this season? Fumble the damn ball! What does he do on the second potential fourth quarter go ahead drive? Fumble! Tell me about how much better than Portis he is now...

You do realize were a 5-10 team right? Why do people keep venting like were a playoff team, we had no shot at the playoffs and we lost to a team that does. Ladell had one bad play and it may have happen to cost us the game, but i dont agree with you there, Ladell did more too win this game than he did too lose, he should never had been in that position to begin with, the defense continues too give games away, and for some reason Al Saunders doesnt understand that a 2 TD lead doesnt mean the games over, dont put this on Ladell because your pissed off, look at all the good things he has done.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by jdlea

There's no doubt the D is garbage, but they've been garbage all year. They shouldn't have been in that position. All he has to do is NOT fumble. His strengths are: 1. running to daylight 2. Going down when the first defender touches him and 3. Fumbling the football.

No, the offense shouldn't have had to been in the position to have to come back and win the game for us. We had a stinkin 14 point lead midway through the 3rd quarter with our offense rolling, and then the defense gives up that long touchdown to Jackson on third down, and then another one shortly thereafter. If the defense could've made some stops, we would've won big. I mean whoever heard of Marc Bulger making a thirty yard run, ridiculous!

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

You do realize were a 5-10 team right? Why do people keep venting like were a playoff team, we had no shot at the playoffs and we lost to a team that does. Ladell had one bad play and it may have happen to cost us the game, but i dont agree with you there, Ladell did more too win this game than he did too lose, he should never had been in that position to begin with, the defense continues too give games away, and for some reason Al Saunders doesnt understand that a 2 TD lead doesnt mean the games over, dont put this on Ladell because your pissed off, look at all the good things he has done.

Well said!

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by jdlea

There's no doubt the D is garbage, but they've been garbage all year. They shouldn't have been in that position. All he has to do is NOT fumble. His strengths are: 1. running to daylight 2. Going down when the first defender touches him and 3. Fumbling the football.

How many times has he fumbled this year? I believe its twice. You honestly have to stop with this "Betts lost us the game crap". He gave us a 2 TD lead and your still bitching about him losing the game for us, sometimes I wonder if people just bitch for the sake of bitching, because im sure you were arguing with friends last week about how good Ladell is, just shut up already!

[jdlea]

First of all, a big reason I'm pissed is because of all the beer I've been drinking. Second, the D is doing exactly what I expect them to do, namely, be a sorry excuse for an NFL defense. That's what they've done all year, so it's hard for me to get pissed about the D doing what they always do. The offense should realize the D sucks and try to outscore other teams. That's about all they can do. Take on the Colts philosophy or something, I don't know. I'm really pissed at Betts because people act like he's some kind of savior when in his 5 100 yard games I think they've had 2 wins and he went on to fumble this one away. We can run around in circles talking about stops and TD's, so I'm not gonna go there, but if he doesn't fumble they win. Period. Like I said in another thread, if the Skins call heads then they probably win. The D is bad, I concede that, for the 1000000th time this season. That just makes me put more owness on the O to step up and not put them in positions like Ladell did today.

[ncskinsfanec]

We would've probably been blown out if it wasn't for Betts! Get off his back already!

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

How many times has he fumbled this year? I believe its twice. You honestly have to stop with this "Betts lost us the game crap". He gave us a 2 TD lead and your still bitching about him losing the game for us, sometimes I wonder if people just bitch for the sake of bitching, because im sure you were arguing with friends last week about how good Ladell is, just shut up already!

No, I never argued about the greatness of Ladell Betts, so read the site and get your facts straight! No, he's fumbled 6 goddamn times this season! What are you even talking about? Why don't you look up some stats before you decide to try to attack someone. And you know what? Clinton scores a TD on that play because he has breakaway speed...

Whatever, you guys are all right! 6 fumbles in one season where you've started upwards of 6 games should be totally excusable, especially considering 2 of them cost you a chance to win a football game. And if they don't, all of a sudden, they're 7 - 8 with a shot, albeit unlikely, of sliding into the playoffs, however undeserved it may be. So don't act like it didn't mean anything.

I've been consistent with my skepticism of Betts all year. How about you look that up before you try to accuse me of changing my tune.