Skins-Jags Positives and Negatives

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't know if I called that super reckless...he landed on his foot in an odd way. If he lands okay, he probably doesn't get injured. But oh well.

When he takes of running he has taken lots of hits because he wants to do it all.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by WillH

I have been firmly in the RG3 camp since the 2 were drafted, because he's talented and showed us so his rookie year, he seems like a good leader, we gave up a lot for him, and well he was our starting QB.

From day 1 though, with RG3, I held my breath on every play. And to be honest with myself, I have never seen a high profile player on this team EVER that was as fragile.

Maybe it is psychological because Cousins came at less of a price, but today I felt confident. I wasn't bracing for the hit every play. HE didn't seem to be either. He stood tall and confident, he made his reads, and delivered the ball quickly, accurately, and on time.

I think we all knew that he was the better pocket passer at this point, and surprise surprise it was Griffin going back to his run-first style that led to his injury (freak and flukey as it may have been) rather than sticking to their guns and developing him as a pocket passer.

Griffins young, and he has talent, so I don't want to count him out yet, but if Cousins keeps putting up the numbers he did today, I'm ready move on. Not that I have to be in the camp of 1 player or another, but we all know there is no room for 2 starting QBs on any team, and I just want to win.

I felt sick for Robert (I like him, he has good character), but then I finally exhaled and enjoyed good football without high blood pressure for the first time since these two were drafted, and I could totally get used to that.

Good post.

[HailGreen28]

Yeah, scary thing is, RG3 keeps finding new ways to get injured.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

When he takes of running he has taken lots of hits because he wants to do it all.

He was running well today, so I was focusing on that. Didn't think that was "super reckless" or anything like that. I mean he converted a first down on that pass. As I said, if his foot doesn't land in an odd way, there's prob no injury. But like I said, oh well.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Yeah, scary thing is, RG3 keeps finding new ways to get injured.

Starting to think he might be like McNabb where there would be no one around him and he would still find a way to hurt himself.

[CRedskinsRule]

I've said I like Gruden, but his press conference was handled very well. So many RGIII questions - some unnamed coaches would not handle that gracefully.

[MTK]

Rolling out is now reckless. Got it.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Rolling out is now reckless. Got it.

Rolling out is not reckless, but going for the extra yardage with no regards because you think you are better and then get pounded, that is.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I've said I like Gruden, but his press conference was handled very well. So many RGIII questions - some unnamed coaches would not handle that gracefully.

Yeah, that said, if they had lost, there would have been a lot of dumber questions directed at him like:

"Do you think that Robert running the ball had to do with the injury?"
"Who's decision was it for Robert to run the ball?"
"Did Dan Snyder want you to get back to Robert running the ball more, was it your game plan, or was Robert acting on his own?"

Well, actually maybe some of these questions should be asked, along with, was the field condition part of the reason?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Rolling out is not reckless, but going for the extra yardage with no regards because you think you are better and then get pounded, that is.

But that didn't happened. He jumped to throw a pass (which was a 1st down) and landed awkwardly on his left foot. It's not like RG3 was knocked out.

I mean that's like me saying that DJax made an extra effort and got hurt for doing that. Even though he got hurt because he had a guy on top of him.

[WillH]

Just to be clear, I wasn't saying he was being reckless, I know that was very flukey, and fundamentally he did not "expose" himself to injury. That said, I think if you can operate from the pocket, those kind of things are less likely to happen, which is why we all have been saying he needed to develop that skill set. It's just disappointing to see any progress in that direction wiped out by the very thing they were supposed to be getting away from. Coincidence? Yes. Completely unrelated? Not so sure.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

But that didn't happened. He jumped to throw a pass (which was a 1st down) and landed awkwardly on his left foot. It's not like RG3 was knocked out.

I mean that's like me saying that DJax made an extra effort and got hurt for doing that. Even though he got hurt because he had a guy on top of him.

I know, but he reverted to his old style of play going 200 miles and hour. I thought he was supposed to be learning to be a pocket QB. He should not be playing like this especially after the 2nd knee injury, he shouldn't be coddled but they also need to be careful and not pull a Shanahan. He is/was the franchise.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I know, but he reverted to his old style of play going 200 miles and hour. I thought he was supposed to be learning to be a pocket QB. He should not be playing like this especially after the 2nd knee injury, he shouldn't be coddled but they also need to be careful and not pull a Shanahan. He is/was the franchise.

He tried to be a pocket QB during the preseason and the first game, and it didn't work. Honestly, we needed a 2012 RG3 that knew when to slide; and IMO up until he got hurt, we seemed to have that.

If RG3 had been knocked the F out, I would have agreed with you. Dude got hurt b/c he landed awkwardly on his foot, I think that could have happened to many QBs.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't know if I called that super reckless...he landed on his foot in an odd way. If he lands okay, he probably doesn't get injured. But oh well.

This. The pocket collapsed, I honestly have no idea how people wouldn't expect a mobile quarterback to bail when he's in imminent danger of being sacked. It looked like a freak injury to me. I just hope he will still be decent when he comes back.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

He tried to be a pocket QB during the preseason and the first game, and it didn't work. Honestly, we needed a 2012 RG3 that knew when to slide; and IMO up until he got hurt, we seemed to have that.

If RG3 had been knocked the F out, I would have agreed with you. Dude got hurt b/c he landed awkwardly on his foot, I think that could have happened to many QBs.

This I don't agree with. Becoming a pocket passer was essential for him, and that was because running with the ball exposes you to injury. Could this have happened to any QB? Yeah, sure, but the more a QB rolls out and jumps in the air to complete a throw the more likely he is to be injured. There's just no arguing against that.

That said, I was hoping they were just sprinkling in some of those read options and bootlegs so the D stayed honest. Which, very likely was the case. I really doubt they were going completely back to 2012.

I just still feel that I would have rather gone through the growing pains of RG3 becoming a pocket passer, and not gone to the safety blanket because people were impatient. I don't know, hindsight is 20/20, but I don't think it is outrageous to say, he was less likely to get hurt if they stuck to pocket passing. Oh well, we will never know.