2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Funny I have seen the left here use Fact check to prove their points but now when it does not agree with them they toss it out as wrong. It really does not matter here because none of you are going to vote for him in the first place.

and what's even funnier is how the lefties here completely ignore the charges and investigations against Obama and his "green energy" fiascos, even when facts hit them square in the face.

The mis-appropriation (funneling of billions of tax dollars to Obama cronies) of taxpayer money with Solyndra etc. is going to hit home with the American people far more than "when was Romney running Bain".

[12thMan]

Yeah, saving the Olympics with all of the federal money Republicans hate so much.

Look, if you have to get into the weeds about when you left a company, you have a problem on your hands. The Obama team are going to hit this guy on Bain and taxes all the way to November, as they should.

What's funny is that Rommey is running from his record as governor of Mass and now his time at Bain Capital. What exactly is the guy running on?

[12thMan]

There is some speculation that in 2007 Romney had maybe had some Iranian holdings. Can you imagine that bombshell, pardon the pun.

[12thMan]

What do you call a blind trust? Voting for Romney in November.

Thank you, I'll be here all night.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

What do you call a blind trust? Voting for Romney in November.

Thank you, I'll be here all night.

LOL, that's a good one.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Another campaign cornerstone for Obama, more workers on diability than got new jobs. LOL

3.1 Million Workers Join Disability Ranks Vs. 2.6 Million That Got Jobs In Obama Recovery - Investors.com

[12thMan]

SlinginSammy33,

A quote from your WaPo article:

“Even the documents cherry-picked by House Republicans today affirm what we have said all along: This loan was a decision made on the merits at the Department of Energy,” Schultz said in a statement. “Nothing in the 85,000 pages of documents produced thus far by the Administration or in these four indicate any favoritism to political supporters.”

Washington Post Dec. 28, 2011

"records do not establish that the Energy Department pressured anyone to approve the Solyndra loan to benefit political contributors."

Per Politico. Hardly left leaning. 3/27/2012

More than a year into a probe that's extended to the Energy Department loan guarantee portfolio, Republican investigators even acknowledge they've fallen short of substantiating their allegations that the administration helped political allies like Tulsa oilman George Kaiser secure hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies through a loan guarantee to Solyndra.

"Is there a criminal activity? Perhaps not," Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa told POLITICO after last Tuesday’s showdown with Energy Secretary Steven Chu. "Is there a political influence and connections? Perhaps not. Did they bend the rules for an agenda, an agenda not covered within the statute? Absolutely."

More from Politico: 6/5/12

Among other findings...Spinner, an Obama fundraiser, monitored the Solyndra loan guarantee while working as an Energy Department adviser — Still, House investigators have been unable to show that the administration approved the Solyndra guarantee to please the president’s campaign donors.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

SlinginSammy33,

A quote from your WaPo article:

“Even the documents cherry-picked by House Republicans today affirm what we have said all along: This loan was a decision made on the merits at the Department of Energy,” Schultz said in a statement. “Nothing in the 85,000 pages of documents produced thus far by the Administration or in these four indicate any favoritism to political supporters.”

Washington Post Dec. 28, 2011

"records do not establish that the Energy Department pressured anyone to approve the Solyndra loan to benefit political contributors."

Per Politico. Hardly left leaning. 3/27/2012

More than a year into a probe that's extended to the Energy Department loan guarantee portfolio, Republican investigators even acknowledge they've fallen short of substantiating their allegations that the administration helped political allies like Tulsa oilman George Kaiser secure hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies through a loan guarantee to Solyndra.

"Is there a criminal activity? Perhaps not," Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa told POLITICO after last Tuesday’s showdown with Energy Secretary Steven Chu. "Is there a political influence and connections? Perhaps not. Did they bend the rules for an agenda, an agenda not covered within the statute? Absolutely."

More from Politico: 6/5/12

Among other findings...Spinner, an Obama fundraiser, monitored the Solyndra loan guarantee while working as an Energy Department adviser — Still, House investigators have been unable to show that the administration approved the Solyndra guarantee to please the president’s campaign donors.

Solyndra I have always thought Obama did so he had some green company he could point to that the stimulas helped. He ignored all the warnings just so he could stand in front of the American people and tout them as his success. Hell he just said the other day that no one is successful without the federal goverment LMAO. So to try and prove his point he ignored all warnings and wasted $550,000,000. Wonder how many people are sitting at home retired from that failed company set up for the rest of their life?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Solyndra I have always thought Obama did so he had some green company he could point to that the stimulas helped. He ignored all the warnings just so he could stand in front of the American people and tout them as his success. Hell he just said the other day that no one is successful without the federal goverment LMAO. So to try and prove his point he ignored all warnings and wasted $550,000,000. Wonder how many people are sitting at home retired from that failed company set up for the rest of their life?

Actually that's not what he said and I'm almost 100% sure you didn't watch the speech.

What you or SlinginSammy33 won't realize or admit, not sure which. The DOE_ Loan Program was started by George Bush. The Energy Department's loan guarantee program was created as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed by Bush.

Did you read that, 2005! And it's not stimulus money for Christ's sake. Good lord! There's some debate whether Bush wanted to close the loan out after before he left office, but their fingerprints are on this too.

Solyndra didn't work out. As I've said before, they bet on the wrong horse. I don't fault the president for wanting an enterprise, that he's politically invested in, to succeed. There's nothing wrong with that as long as everything is done on the level.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Actually that's not what he said and I'm almost 100% sure you didn't watch the speech.

What you or SlinginSammy33 won't realize or admit, not sure which. The DOE_ Loan Program was started by George Bush. The Energy Department's loan guarantee program was created as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed by Bush.

Did you read that, 2005! And it's not stimulus money for Christ's sake. Good lord! There's some debate whether Bush wanted to close the loan out after before he left office, but their fingerprints are on this too.

Solyndra didn't work out. As I've said before, they bet on the wrong horse. I don't fault the president for wanting an enterprise, that he's politically invested in, to succeed. There's nothing wrong with that as long as everything is done on the level.

I knew you figure out how to put this on Bush. Your right and it was not part of the stimulas but it was done arround the same time period. The facts are his own people threw up red flags and he still proceed so he could tout this green company and the jobs he created. It really does not matter if it was the stimulas or another program he still wasted 560 million dollars. It was his signature giving the ok not Bush and maybe Bush knew better then giving them the money.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Actually that's not what he said and I'm almost 100% sure you didn't watch the speech.

What you or SlinginSammy33 won't realize or admit, not sure which. The DOE_ Loan Program was started by George Bush. The Energy Department's loan guarantee program was created as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed by Bush.

Did you read that, 2005! And it's not stimulus money for Christ's sake. Good lord! There's some debate whether Bush wanted to close the loan out after before he left office, but their fingerprints are on this too.

Solyndra didn't work out. As I've said before, they bet on the wrong horse. I don't fault the president for wanting an enterprise, that he's politically invested in, to succeed. There's nothing wrong with that as long as everything is done on the level.

btw, even Huff Post is calling out Spinner/Solyndra.

Steve Spinner, Energy Department Adviser, Pushed Solyndra Loan, Emails Show

you get a huge C'MON MAN for defending Obama's Solyndra mess.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

SlinginSammy33,

A quote from your WaPo article:

“Even the documents cherry-picked by House Republicans today affirm what we have said all along: This loan was a decision made on the merits at the Department of Energy,” Schultz said in a statement. “Nothing in the 85,000 pages of documents produced thus far by the Administration or in these four indicate any favoritism to political supporters.”

Washington Post Dec. 28, 2011

"records do not establish that the Energy Department pressured anyone to approve the Solyndra loan to benefit political contributors."

Per Politico. Hardly left leaning. 3/27/2012

More than a year into a probe that's extended to the Energy Department loan guarantee portfolio, Republican investigators even acknowledge they've fallen short of substantiating their allegations that the administration helped political allies like Tulsa oilman George Kaiser secure hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies through a loan guarantee to Solyndra.

"Is there a criminal activity? Perhaps not," Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa told POLITICO after last Tuesday’s showdown with Energy Secretary Steven Chu. "Is there a political influence and connections? Perhaps not. Did they bend the rules for an agenda, an agenda not covered within the statute? Absolutely."

More from Politico: 6/5/12

Among other findings...Spinner, an Obama fundraiser, monitored the Solyndra loan guarantee while working as an Energy Department adviser — Still, House investigators have been unable to show that the administration approved the Solyndra guarantee to please the president’s campaign donors.

What you chose not to quote:

From WaPo:
"In March 2010, Mitchell wrote Kaiser about Energy Secretary Steven Chu, describing his attempts to secure a second Energy Department loan. “Chu is apparently staying involved in Solyndra’s application and continues to talk up the company as a success story,” Mitchell wrote. "

"In an October 2010 e-mail exchange, Kaiser appeared to challenge a plan by his associates to press the White House for unspecified help. “The WH has offered to help in the past and we do have a contact within the WH that we are working with,” Mitchell wrote to Kaiser. Kaiser suggested that Chu might take offense at any attempt to go over his head.
“I question the assumption that the WH is the path to pursue when both of your issues are with the” Energy Department, Kaiser wrote to associates Oct. 6, 2010. He said presidential counselor Pete Rouse and Carol Browner, who then headed the White House energy office, might not choose to get involved in the issue.
“If they did, I am concerned that DOE/Chu would resent the intervention,” Kaiser wrote.
Mitchell replied, “The WH meeting is more about assistance in selling panels to the government than it is about getting the DOE loan revised.”
Kaiser responded that Mitchell should “pursue” his White House contacts “to follow up on the casual comment during the plant visit.” Obama had visited Solyndra’s Silicon Valley factory in May 2010 for a press event."

From the ABC link:
" In one pointed memo, shortly before the company declared bankruptcy, a top Treasury official wrote to the White House to make clear that the decision to restructure the deal did not have Treasury or Justice Department approval -- despite early suggestions that approval from both agencies may be required."

"An elite Obama fundraiser hired to help oversee the administration's energy loan program pushed and prodded career Department of Energy officials to move faster in approving a loan guarantee for Solyndra, even as his wife's law firm was representing the California solar company, according to internal emails made public late Friday.
"How hard is this? What is he waiting for?" wrote Steven J. Spinner, a high-tech consultant and energy investor who raised at least $500,000 for the candidate before being appointed to a key job helping oversee the energy loan guarantee program. "I have OVP [the Office of the Vice President] and WH [the White House] breathing down my neck on this."

and from the other WaPo link:
But as Hoover Institution scholar Peter Schweizer reported in his book, “Throw Them All Out">Throw Them All Out" /> Throw Them All Out">Throw Them All Out,” fully 71 percent of the Obama Energy Department’s grants and loans went to “individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party.” Collectively, these Obama cronies raised $457,834 for his campaign, and they were in turn approved for grants or loans of nearly $11.35 billion.

So the left throws complete speculation that has been debunked for years about Romney/Bain and that's supposed to equate/negate hard facts on Obama funneling tax money to bundlers....ummm OK.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

What you chose not to quote:

From WaPo:
"In March 2010, Mitchell wrote Kaiser about Energy Secretary Steven Chu, describing his attempts to secure a second Energy Department loan. “Chu is apparently staying involved in Solyndra’s application and continues to talk up the company as a success story,” Mitchell wrote. "

"In an October 2010 e-mail exchange, Kaiser appeared to challenge a plan by his associates to press the White House for unspecified help. “The WH has offered to help in the past and we do have a contact within the WH that we are working with,” Mitchell wrote to Kaiser. Kaiser suggested that Chu might take offense at any attempt to go over his head.
“I question the assumption that the WH is the path to pursue when both of your issues are with the” Energy Department, Kaiser wrote to associates Oct. 6, 2010. He said presidential counselor Pete Rouse and Carol Browner, who then headed the White House energy office, might not choose to get involved in the issue.
“If they did, I am concerned that DOE/Chu would resent the intervention,” Kaiser wrote.
Mitchell replied, “The WH meeting is more about assistance in selling panels to the government than it is about getting the DOE loan revised.”
Kaiser responded that Mitchell should “pursue” his White House contacts “to follow up on the casual comment during the plant visit.” Obama had visited Solyndra’s Silicon Valley factory in May 2010 for a press event."

From the ABC link:
" In one pointed memo, shortly before the company declared bankruptcy, a top Treasury official wrote to the White House to make clear that the decision to restructure the deal did not have Treasury or Justice Department approval -- despite early suggestions that approval from both agencies may be required."

"An elite Obama fundraiser hired to help oversee the administration's energy loan program pushed and prodded career Department of Energy officials to move faster in approving a loan guarantee for Solyndra, even as his wife's law firm was representing the California solar company, according to internal emails made public late Friday.
"How hard is this? What is he waiting for?" wrote Steven J. Spinner, a high-tech consultant and energy investor who raised at least $500,000 for the candidate before being appointed to a key job helping oversee the energy loan guarantee program. "I have OVP [the Office of the Vice President] and WH [the White House] breathing down my neck on this."

and from the other WaPo link:
But as Hoover Institution scholar Peter Schweizer reported in his book, “Throw Them All Out,” fully 71 percent of the Obama Energy Department’s grants and loans went to “individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party.” Collectively, these Obama cronies raised $457,834 for his campaign, and they were in turn approved for grants or loans of nearly $11.35 billion.

So the left throws complete speculation that has been debunked for years about Romney/Bain and that's supposed to equate/negate hard facts on Obama funneling tax money to bundlers....ummm OK.

Dude, all you're doing is quoting an email about an email about what so and so said. A big effin' so what.

Nothing, in anything you've cut and pasted, mentions him getting any special favoritism from a White House officials.

If the guy had so much juice and the money was flowing, why didn't he go straight to the top? Isn't that how it's supposed to work? Seems like he's jumping through a lot of hoops for the White House to be so eager to reward one of their campaign donors.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

If the guy had so much juice and the money was flowing, why didn't he go straight to the top? Isn't that how it's supposed to work? Seems like he's jumping through a lot of hoops for the White House to be so eager to reward one of their campaign donors.

Why was DoE awarding hundreds of millions of dollars in gov't guaranteed loans to companies with junk bond credit ratings?

Either the Obama Admin is galactically stupid or galactically corrupt, you pick. Alex, I'll take Galactically Corrupt for $ 1000.

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...ees-Report.pdf

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Why was DoE awarding hundreds of millions of dollars in gov't guaranteed loans to companies with junk bond credit ratings?

Either the Obama Admin is galactically stupid or galactically corrupt, you pick. Alex, I'll take Galactically Corrupt for $ 1000.

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...ees-Report.pdf

LOL..that literally made me laugh out loud. I got nothing. I'll dig up something later, but I'll let you have this round for comedic value.