Big Al suspended for the remainder of season

[souperbad]

Praise Jesus, Praise Allah! This is good news.

I would praise Buddah but he looks to much like Albert.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Journalists are not lazy when they report facts. Those three guys - - along with Archuletta and Lloyd and - - you want me to go and find a few other names like Carrier? - - represent a sorry history of the ownership and the front office of the Washington Redskins for the last decade. Calling a reporter "lazy" simply allows you to pretend that the folks running this team for the last 10 years are better than stumblebums. They were not...


BTW, I think - - could not prove this beyond a reasonable doubt - - that signing Haynesworth was a Danny Boy move that Vinny merely carried out. Remember, I have had next to nothing nice to say about Vinny for the past 5-8 years but in this case, I suspect that this bad move is not something to put on his ledger.

Getting Haynesworth essentially goes back to Blache. He didn't specifically say "I need Haynesworth" He said "I need a dominant DT to make my defense (dominant)"

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Shanahan: Albert Haynesworth to play any position Redskins ask him | ProFootballTalk
Flipadelphia says:
Jul 19, 2010 11:46 AM
"Fat Al is gonna tear that team apart. He will do his best to make sure they dont win this year and that he is released after or during the season.
Expect alot of grumbling, sitting on the bench alone and phantom injuries out of that guy"

^^^Whoever this guy is, he hit the nail right on, all the way back in July. In fact many fans of other teams said the same thing. Seems we were the only ones blinded once again by a "Big name" signing, well most of us.

Well when you have thousands of post on a subject someone at some point is going to guess correctly but he did hit it right.

[12thMan]

[QUOTE=over the mountain;766636]IMO it is a pattern and practice of lying to skins reps/coaches that is the problem, not the couple of drinks.

You look like a liar when you have a "bad" practice thursday, have drinks until atleast 1:30 am, then say you are sick and cant practice friday.[/QUOTE

You sure Al was out until 1:30 am? Both Al and the bartender said he was done well before 12:30.

In terms of him being sick, well the team doctor treated AH from what I understand.

[souperbad]

I often thought it would be more realistic if, instead of naming the sections of Fed Ex Field for famous Redskins, they named the sections of Fed Ex Field after the people the seats were actually paying for. You know, you would have the

The Albert Haynesworth Club Level
The Adam Archuletta Loge

...something like that

[over the mountain]

[quote=12thMan;766649]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

IMO it is a pattern and practice of lying to skins reps/coaches that is the problem, not the couple of drinks.

You look like a liar when you have a "bad" practice thursday, have drinks until atleast 1:30 am, then say you are sick and cant practice friday.[/QUOTE

You sure Al was out until 1:30 am? Both Al and the bartender said he was done well before 12:30.

In terms of him being sick, well the team doctor treated AH from what I understand.

i was just going of what was reported and from the post in this thread with pictures. generally i would take into account a person's version, however at this point with him I dont put any weight to his own self-serving interest statements.

[SirClintonPortis]

He deserved it, plain and simple.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

Well I never said having a drink is bad, but when you are apparantly drunk at 1:30 in the morning and you have to be at practice in the morning, it doesn't create a good impression.

This ain't the 80's anymore, and Joe Gibbs is not our coach. He put up with it knowing Riggins would give his best on the field, and that is not something Haynesworth is known for. Our current head coach preaches accountability, responsibility, and practicing good before you can play. So why would you want to be out at 1:30 in the morning knowing you have to have a good practice in order to play? That just screams Haynesworth doesn't give a f.

Btw please don't compare Sonny Jurgensen and John Riggins to Albert Haynesworth. He may have the talent to be a HOFer, but he sure as hell doesn't have the right mentality. This isn't 20 years ago, and you can't just get away with behaving like an idiot and expecting people not to treat you like one.

Do you honestly think I'm comparing those guys to AH?????????? C'mon.. And there is no proof that he was out that late. What I'm saying is it's not a big deal to go out and have a few drinks and be a professional athlete. I'd be willing to bet that AH wasn't the only guy to go out on Thurs. in the NFL. Get my point?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by mooby

Well now we have an idea of where Fat Albert was on Thursday night. And there's photographic evidence too!

skinsfan69 - there is proof that AH was out with drink in hand at 1:30 am, its really just a matter of how much weigh and credibility to put towards it.

what mooby posted plus kelli johnsons tweet that "several team sources" said he was hungover.

i dont have a problem with a player having a drink or two, i would prefer they wouldnt during the season, especially towards the end of the work week . . . .what really really gets me is lying. i abhor lying, deceit and less than truthfulness done by any person in any situation. honestly, thats why i waited for the police to arrest me when i ran onto the field during the Os opening day. i could have jumped back into the stands and try and run off but thats just not me. if i do something, i accept the responsibilities. i realize i have a special sensitivity to lying and not being honest, i was the only person here who was upset with the skins tampering with AH. im still alil disappointed in some of you all by deflecting and justifying the actions with statements like everyone does it, etc. idk, im all hopped up on pain killers just got back from the hospital alil bit ago. surgery went well but im loopy right now.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Do you honestly think I'm comparing those guys to AH?????????? C'mon.. And there is no proof that he was out that late. What I'm saying is it's not a big deal to go out and have a few drinks and be a professional athlete. I'd be willing to bet that AH wasn't the only guy to go out on Thurs. in the NFL. Get my point?

Look my whole point is this isn't the 80's anymore, and it's not the drink thing that matters, it's the whole staying out late and drinking thing that does. NFL guys drink during the season, that's completely obvious, but how many guys do you see out on a weeknight (not even a friday night) around midnight being plastered? I trust the guys' judgement who wrote in to Deadspin a lot more than I trust Haynesworth's. I'd bet that 90% or more of the players on our rosters were at home past midnight on a Thursday night, either sleeping or doing something not stupid like going out bar hopping to get your drink on.

Would you go bar hopping past midnight on a Thursday night if you had to be at work early the next morning?

[DM72]

Originally Posted by jfwallace3

This all just clouds the fact that the Skins have had a top 10 defense the past few years
(the one bright spot), and now they are dead last. If we were winning and AH was missing games / practice and slack'in then who cares.....but the fact is there are other players on this team who have not risen up to the challenge and prepared themselves for these last two division games. DON'T LET A.H. OR WAPO/MEDIA DISTRACT YOU FROM THE REAL TEAM. The rest of them need show up and get a win against Tampa! No low drat pick losing, learn how to win for now, next year, and so on.

I totally agree with this. OK, Albert's gone. Now let see how this team respond. Al was a big part of the problem, but he was far from the only problem. Are these guys gonna suddenly stop dropping balls, start blocking, start tackling? We'll see.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Journalists are not lazy when they report facts. Those three guys - - along with Archuletta and Lloyd and - - you want me to go and find a few other names like Carrier? - - represent a sorry history of the ownership and the front office of the Washington Redskins for the last decade. Calling a reporter "lazy" simply allows you to pretend that the folks running this team for the last 10 years are better than stumblebums. They were not...


BTW, I think - - could not prove this beyond a reasonable doubt - - that signing Haynesworth was a Danny Boy move that Vinny merely carried out. Remember, I have had next to nothing nice to say about Vinny for the past 5-8 years but in this case, I suspect that this bad move is not something to put on his ledger.

I agree that reporting facts is not lazy, but trotting those names out whenever they type REDSKINS or SNYDER is what I am referring to. If Chris Johnson, Calvin Johnson and Patrick Willis were free agents and the Redskins signed them all, the lazy journalists I refer to would be saying, 'This is just like Deion, Bruce Smith and Haynesworth' because we spent money. We have made some terrible decisions, but report each case on it's merit rather than using 10 year old references to reinforce a point.

For example, watching ATH today, 3-4 "journalists" were calling Shanahan a failure already in DC because of the state of the team today, of course bringing up the 'same old Redskins' and even went as far as to question if we are even better than we were last year. Seriously? Can you tell me a legitimate sports journalist would even question if we are in better hands organizationally with Allen and Shanahan than we were with Cerrato and Zorn??? Yes, we've been ass crack lint for the better part of 10+ years, but can anyone NOT see how much better hands we are in long term, today being a major step in that direction. Shanahan & Co. demand professionalism, accountability and respect like nobody around here in a long time, INCLUDING Gibbs 2.0.

[44 70 chip]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

This was a pissing contest from the jump. But more than anything, this drama, highlights Shanny's inability to manage an NFL team and high profile athletes in particular.

For all the talk of change, this team is wose off defesively, only 2 points per game better offensively, and appears to be poorly coached of late. Shanahan mishandled the Jason Campbell trade, he mishandled MacNabb, bungled "Derrick" Thomas, and the Haynesworth saga is well documented and will dog this coach for a long time, in my opinion.

Hi, your premis is that coddling and babying big name players leads to success (in a team sport where everyone has to work together), and your support for this conclusion is that the Redskins defense is bad right now...

Wow...

MS is in his first year, in a system that has suffered from 11 years of colossal Snyder brand "fantasy football" mismanagement.

He inherited an O-line devoid of a single worthy starter, a RB core that was/is used up, A WR core that suffers from Snyderrato picks, a D-line that that is suited to a 4-3 when he wants to run a 3-4... LB's suited to the 4-3 when he wants to run a 3-4, a terrible secondary... And then he had Dan Snyder pushing Donovan McNabb Willy Parker and Larry Johnson on him (Think about it for a minute before you scoff, when did Shanahan ever go after older running backs or veteran QB's via trade? He's always drafted them and pulled RB's out of no where, he may have signed off on them, but they still smell like every Dan Snyder fantasy football move pre Shanny).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

Look my whole point is this isn't the 80's anymore, and it's not the drink thing that matters, it's the whole staying out late and drinking thing that does. NFL guys drink during the season, that's completely obvious, but how many guys do you see out on a weeknight (not even a friday night) around midnight being plastered? I trust the guys' judgement who wrote in to Deadspin a lot more than I trust Haynesworth's. I'd bet that 90% or more of the players on our rosters were at home past midnight on a Thursday night, either sleeping or doing something not stupid like going out bar hopping to get your drink on.

Would you go bar hopping past midnight on a Thursday night if you had to be at work early the next morning?

Not now no. But when I was younger there were nights when I was out late. I personally don't believe any of the sources ( bartenders ) anymore than I believe AH.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by 44 70 chip

Hi, your premis is that coddling and babying big name players leads to success (in a team sport where everyone has to work together), and your support for this conclusion is that the Redskins defense is bad right now...

Wow...

MS is in his first year, in a system that has suffered from 11 years of colossal Snyder brand "fantasy football" mismanagement.

He inherited an O-line devoid of a single worthy starter, a RB core that was/is used up, A WR core that suffers from Snyderrato picks, a D-line that that is suited to a 4-3 when he wants to run a 3-4... LB's suited to the 4-3 when he wants to run a 3-4, a terrible secondary... And then he had Dan Snyder pushing Donovan McNabb Willy Parker and Larry Johnson on him (Think about it for a minute before you scoff, when did Shanahan ever go after older running backs or veteran QB's via trade? He's always drafted them and pulled RB's out of no where, he may have signed off on them, but they still smell like every Dan Snyder fantasy football move pre Shanny).

Agree with 99% of this...

However, Shanahan did go after Jake Plummer while in Denver - - and Plummer was hardly a wet-behind-the-ears rookie at the time. Since you asked...