Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by an23dy

My bad, I meant it in that we won't be drafting in the third come draft day. We did the same thing for Jason Taylor. We traded the 2nd round pick 9 months early for Jason Taylor and he was on the roster in 2008. He was just older and hopefully not as good a LDE as Jarmon will be. I'm neutral about it, but other people are upset at the value, they don't know if he was worth using a third round pick on.

But it's not the same at all. If we trade the pick for a player, then another team gets an additional player with our pick. We get a player with our own pick, we just get him 9 months early. It's like Ruhskins said, so many people and fans are conditioned to think that we 'gave up a pick' that anything we do outside of the month of April is a negative.

If the Eagles picked him (and they supposedly put in a 4th round claim) then there would be endless platitudes about how savvy Joe Banner and Andy Reid are for using the supplemental draft and adding a potentially valuable player, not that they threw away a pick.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

But it's not the same at all. If we trade the pick for a player, then another team gets an additional player with our pick. We get a player with our own pick, we just get him 9 months early. It's like Ruhskins said, so many people and fans are conditioned to think that we 'gave up a pick' that anything we do outside of the month of April is a negative.

If the Eagles picked him (and they supposedly put in a 4th round claim) then there would be endless platitudes about how savvy Joe Banner and Andy Reid are for using the supplemental draft and adding a potentially valuable player, not that they threw away a pick.

Funny how everyone put in a 4th round claim except us. Doesn't it make you wonder if maybe we over valued him a little bit. Yes we won, we got our man, but whether or not it was worth it is yet to be seen. The talent pool in a draft between the 3rd and 4th rounds are almost night and day with a few exceptions.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

This could be a steal if it pans out. I would, however, be a little concerned. This guy was disqualified by the NCAA and lost his senior year eligibility because he tested positive for a banned diuretic.

Most diuretics are not banned, and they are even legal in the NFL. The banned diuretics are those diuretics that are known to be used to flush the traces of steroids/PHD's from the system so they won't show up on a drug test.

Or you could read about the situation and realize it was just an honest mistake. We have another guy on the roster who did the same thing. The DE from JMU got booted for exactly the same deal.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by Angry

Funny how everyone put in a 4th round claim except us. Doesn't it make you wonder if maybe we over valued him a little bit. Yes we won, we got our man, but whether or not it was worth it is yet to be seen. The talent pool in a draft between the 3rd and 4th rounds are almost night and day with a few exceptions.

True, but we got a player who has a year head start and can learn under Dainiels and Wynn and has the chance to be a starter next year. He probably would've been a 2-3 next year if he had eligibility. 5 teams bid 4th round picks, so if we wanted to get him we had to give up a 3rd. I think it was a good move by the FO.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Angry

Funny how everyone put in a 4th round claim except us. Doesn't it make you wonder if maybe we over valued him a little bit. Yes we won, we got our man, but whether or not it was worth it is yet to be seen. The talent pool in a draft between the 3rd and 4th rounds are almost night and day with a few exceptions.

Certainly can be argued that we "overvalued" him, but I think the context should be considered. The other teams might've also just been lowballing w/their 4th. Vinny has taken players in the draft that were rated lower by most teams (e.g. rinehart, glenn, brooks, kelly), this move might be just the same.

Eeach team's situation has to be considered. Philly e.g. liked him but they probably want some flexibility w/their 3rd rounder next year & they are not in great need of a young DE as far as I know. Detroit has so many needs that they didn't want to go too low, but because they were #1 in draft order, their submission of a 4th for Jarmon would've beaten anyone else's 4th.

Bottom line, if they liked him enough to draft in the 3rd round it was a good move. Despite the no. of DEs on the roster, there isn't a young viable starter alongside Carter. Even if Rak becomes srictly a DE, Carter is getting to the age where his speed rush isn't as speedy.

[KLHJ2]

Ok, ok, I will jump on the bandwagon. Good move SARGE!

[MTK]

Good take by Tandler:

Jarmon Selection Was Succession Planning For Washington Redskins | Bleacher Report

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Detroit and some other teams were going to try to get him with a 4th. If we wouldn't have given a 3rd, we wouldn't have got him.

yeah thats what i heard too. if we had bid our 4th rounder then a team like detroit would have gotten him first with their lower 4th rounder.

heard vinny lay down how the order goes. it does not follow the regular draft order. he said all the 6-10 teams (example) get put in a lottery, then all the non-playoff teams get put a lottery, then the playoff teams get put in the lottery.

so for this supplemental draft while we drafted 13th in the reg draft we drafted 19th in the supplemental. cowboys who drafted after us (i think the 19th?) in the regular draft actually "drafted" 13th in the supplemental for each round.

go skins!!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Certainly can be argued that we "overvalued" him, but I think the context should be considered. The other teams might've also just been lowballing w/their 4th. Vinny has taken players in the draft that were rated lower by most teams (e.g. rinehart, glenn, brooks, kelly), this move might be just the same.

Eeach team's situation has to be considered. Philly e.g. liked him but they probably want some flexibility w/their 3rd rounder next year & they are not in great need of a young DE as far as I know. Detroit has so many needs that they didn't want to go too low, but because they were #1 in draft order, their submission of a 4th for Jarmon would've beaten anyone else's 4th.

Bottom line, if they liked him enough to draft in the 3rd round it was a good move. Despite the no. of DEs on the roster, there isn't a young viable starter alongside Carter. Even if Rak becomes srictly a DE, Carter is getting to the age where his speed rush isn't as speedy.

I totally agree. God for bid Orakpo turns out to be a bust cause we will start hearing how he must have been valued too high. He was on other teams list at a lower round. In my opinion....who cares about other teams thought process. Players drafted in the 7th sometimes make it big. Look at Horton, and Heyer as examples. I can understand and appreciate people attempting to guess what a player should or should not be rated or ranked but it's all speculation cause no one knows how well the player will develope for the NFL.

If this kid can get a crash course in our Defense and gets several sacks this yr people will be claiming that we did awsome with this pick. All we can say for sure is he has athletic ability and has proven himself in college which should/could transfer to the pros. Hopefully it does.

The major plus is the organization trying to get younger like everyone wanted with out throwing away picks for a washed up player.

[BleedBurgundy]

You guys are all ignoring the most important detail. What's his rating going to be in Madden?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Sit tight. He just passed it to me. You're next.

Also I can't believe I missed the "Puff, Puff, Pass Party."

[Skinny Tee]

I don't think this guy is going to be that exceptional. I'm not looking for him to do anything spectacular this coming year.

The only downside is were going to have yet another offseason without our full lineup of draft picks. I personally think that the Skins are a team that need to prove they have the discipline to go one year with keeping all their allotment due to the past aggressive use of draft picks.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I don't think this guy is going to be that exceptional. I'm not looking for him to do anything spectacular this coming year.

The only downside is were going to have yet another offseason without our full lineup of draft picks. I personally think that the Skins are a team that need to prove they have the discipline to go one year with keeping all their allotment due to the past aggressive use of draft picks.

???? We DRAFTED this guy. So next April when we don't have this pick to use on draft day we can say we drafted him and got him a year early. We didn't get rid of the pick we just used it early. We still have the same allotment that we had 2 days ago, just one of them has been used.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

???? We DRAFTED this guy. So next April when we don't have this pick to use on draft day we can say we drafted him and got him a year early. We didn't get rid of the pick we just used it early. We still have the same allotment that we had 2 days ago, just one of them has been used.

Totally agree with tis statement. We used a draft pick on a college player one year early. Period. We didn't trade it for a vet or anything else. I live in SEC country now and all ofmy friends are SC Gamecocks fans. They all know who this guy is and seem to think he could be a beast. One of them who knows the most is an Eagles fan and he wishes they had gotten him. Good job front office. nice addition to a D line who is instantly young.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

???? We DRAFTED this guy. So next April when we don't have this pick to use on draft day we can say we drafted him and got him a year early. We didn't get rid of the pick we just used it early. We still have the same allotment that we had 2 days ago, just one of them has been used.

I've tried explaining that 3 times in this thread. Some people don't get it and aren't going to. We're going to hear the same whining next spring about 'we only have 5 picks' even though one of our 6 picks will already have one year of NFL experience.