Return Of Lavar

[KLHJ2]

So all of the smart people agree. We keep LaVar!

[Daseal]

angrryssg - We can't trade Lavar - that's not the issue. Read through the thread before putting in something that has been discussed over and over again. I'm sure you're the next coming of Thomas Edison, but what classifies people as "smart" for thinking Lavar deserves his contract? He's a whiner, he refuses to step up and take a leadership role, and he's the highest paid linebacker in football.

And BigSKINBauer. You did say that LaVar would have won 3 games had he been playing for us. Don't deny it, just stop making claims you can't defend in a last ditch effort to defend your failing point.

[KLHJ2]

I appologize for not being able to navigate through the forums like the rest of you pros. I think that I am up to speed now. Unfortunately you don't get paid alot of money in the NFL for being a leader. Players get paid based on their playmaking ability. Sad but true. Many true leaders on a football team stand on the sidelines, they are the vets, the well seasoned guys who for one reason or another are not the starter anymore, but that is their place on the team. This usualy happens when a younger potential starter gets a spot on the team. They push the leaders out to pasture. My case is that Lavar may not be a leader yet, but give it time and he will be.

[wolfeskins]

hey offiss, i think you and i could turn turn this into "the return of brunnell" thread. i agree with you when you say brunnell played the worst 9 games of any qb in history but the contract he signed was not the # 1 factor in gibbs decission to keep him in that long. it was because gibbs , for whatever reason, loved brunnell and was defending him week after week after week. gibbs was positive that brunnell was the perfect qb to run his offense and he was just waiting and hoping that his dreams would come true.if brunnell would have came to washington and signed a one year contract for the league minimum, he still would have been the starter. gibbs couldn't and still can't admit he made a mistake in getting brunnell.

[KLHJ2]

Well obviously he is not answering you, but I will. I agree with you 100% burnell was supposed to be his match made in heaven, but remember when Coach Gibbs said that he would have never come back if he didn't believe that Ramsey couldn't become the starter. Ramsey is the future now.

[wolfeskins]

i don't think gibbs ever had any intention of starting ramsey until maybe gibbs' 2nd year but with brunnells horrid play and the pressure gibbs was getting for it gibbs had to make a change.



offiss will answer, he's just not on line right now.

[KLHJ2]

You are correct according to plan Ramsey would not have come into play until later. As far as your buddy not being online I dont know.

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by offiss

My plan from the start was to not sign Brunell, and I would have never given Lavar anything close to the contract he recieved, how would our team look right now without Lavar's or Brunell's contract's? does anyone really think we wouldn't be head and shoulder's better this year with an additional 100 million to spend on free agent's and draft pick's?

Just because a player get's a big contract doesn't mean he's worth it.

And who did we have at the time of Lavaars signning at linebacker? Jesse Armstead and Jermiah Trotter. We go rid of old dead wood that was costing us a ton of cash. We spent more cash on the linebackers Arrington 1st then Barrow and Washington. 2 of the 3 were out with injuries and we had back ups step up. They did not know the backups would play above themselves and they did not know that 2 years ago when they resigned Lavaar.

So the question remains would we be a better football team with Lavaar? Character, athletic ability, and dominance as a football player clearly wins. He is better then any other backer out there.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by CRT3

And who did we have at the time of Lavaars signning at linebacker? Jesse Armstead and Jermiah Trotter. We go rid of old dead wood that was costing us a ton of cash. We spent more cash on the linebackers Arrington 1st then Barrow and Washington. 2 of the 3 were out with injuries and we had back ups step up. They did not know the backups would play above themselves and they did not know that 2 years ago when they resigned Lavaar.

So the question remains would we be a better football team with Lavaar? Character, athletic ability, and dominance as a football player clearly wins. He is better then any other backer out there.

Go back to one of my previous post's for the answer on that one, 60 mil would help our need's on offense much more than what Lavar bring's to the table, he's been living off his reputation as a phenomonal athlete coming out of Penn State, we could have a #1 defense next year without Lavar, we won't do much more than we did this year on offense if we don't address our need's, and his contract is not helping, he's a tremendous athlete but a slightly better than average LB who was easily replaced this past year. He's on his way to becoming the Jeff George of LB's only he's much more well liked. I base Lavar on his ability to play the position not his athletic abilities.

By the way who is he better than? On our own team he may not be better than M. Washington, and he certainly doesn't have the football smart's of Pierce, I have to assume you were talking about our LB's, that statement couldn't have been broad enough to include the rest of the NFL.

Take a good look at Sean Taylor now there's a football player, he had a better rookie season than any 1 of Lavar's season's. Taylor is what happen's when you combine athletic ability with football smart's in which Lavar is lacking.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

hey offiss, i think you and i could turn turn this into "the return of brunnell" thread. i agree with you when you say brunnell played the worst 9 games of any qb in history but the contract he signed was not the # 1 factor in gibbs decission to keep him in that long. it was because gibbs , for whatever reason, loved brunnell and was defending him week after week after week. gibbs was positive that brunnell was the perfect qb to run his offense and he was just waiting and hoping that his dreams would come true.if brunnell would have came to washington and signed a one year contract for the league minimum, he still would have been the starter. gibbs couldn't and still can't admit he made a mistake in getting brunnell.

I think we are both on the same track here with Brunell and Gibb's, obviously we can't read Gibb's mind and he's not admitting anything at this point, I do agree that he was set on Brunell from the onset in fact I had the pleasure of asking Ramsey personally about that on another site I was a little more tacktfull though, but I believe his reluctance to yank him was directly related to the major commitment financially that he made to him that's an awfully big pill to swallow in more way's than one.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Take a good look at Sean Taylor now there's a football player, he had a better rookie season than any 1 of Lavar's season's. Taylor is what happen's when you combine athletic ability with football smart's in which Lavar is lacking.

I really have to disagree, I think Taylor and Arrington are so much alike in their playing styles it's not even funny. Taylor had a good rookie year, better than Arrington's 11 sack season a couple years ago? I don't think so.

They're both very aggressive and instinctive players who are going to make some spectacular plays. They're also both going to commit their share of whiffs on tackles and boneheaded penalties. Both of them are so physically gifted I think they tend to rely on their physical skills more than the mental portion of their game.

I really don't see what's different about the way they both play and approach the game.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really have to disagree, I think Taylor and Arrington are so much alike in their playing styles it's not even funny. Taylor had a good rookie year, better than Arrington's 11 sack season a couple years ago? I don't think so.

They're both very aggressive and instinctive players who are going to make some spectacular plays. They're also both going to commit their share of whiffs on tackles and boneheaded penalties. Both of them are so physically gifted I think they tend to rely on their physical skills more than the mental portion of their game.

I really don't see what's different about the way they both play and approach the game.

When I wrote that I was thinking about just that the 11 sack's, but he was playing end not LB when he got those sack's and he was in a position where he didn't have to think, Lavar did get 11 sack's but he wasen't a disruptive force like Taylor, as well Taylor isn't going to rack up the sack's he disrupt's the passing game which he effect's from the secondary far greater than Lavar's pass rush, Lavar is not going to outmuscle TE's or tackles, I said it when we drafted him I didn't see an LT in him he will have to beat guy's with speed, you could get more sack's from smaller player's if you put them on the end position they will beat a big tackle with just pure speed, the problem with that is they will run the ball right down your throat, now Gibb's said something that was right on in his talk forum yesterday going to a 3-4 on passing down's and forcing the guard to have to get back and block Lavar now there's the way to use him, I agree with Gibb's he's to fast which will force team's to keep their TE's and back's in the backfield. In order for Lavar to have success he has to be mismatched against RB's I have seen plenty of TE's who have been able to lock him up 1 on 1 that wasen't even thought of with a LB like L.Taylor, unfortuantly we are paying him as if he was.

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by offiss

He's on his way to becoming the Jeff George of LB's only he's much more well liked. I base Lavar on his ability to play the position not his athletic abilities..

What position has he played the last 3 years He has been bounced from part time end on 3rd down, to the SAM, and back to the Weak. So which position are you basing your opion on? JEFF GEORGE, are you seriuosly using him as a comparison to Lavaar? GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK< THAT IS JUST PLAIN STUPID!!!

[/QUOTE]By the way who is he better than? On our own team he may not be better than M. Washington, and he certainly doesn't have the football smart's of Pierce, I have to assume you were talking about our LB's, that statement couldn't have been broad enough to include the rest of the NFL..[/QUOTE]
He is better then Washington and Pierce. Ath the time of his signing the mega contract he clearly was the best. He is a top 5 linebacker in the NFL, and I think you could rate Spikes, Brookings, Lewis, and Urlacher up with him. Grant it they all play different linebacker positions.

[/QUOTE]Take a good look at Sean Taylor now there's a football player, he had a better rookie season than any 1 of Lavar's season's. Taylor is what happen's when you combine athletic ability with football smart's in which Lavar is lacking.[/QUOTE] And he provide how many football smart plays? Did he recieve a few unsportmanlike penalties? Did he get benched during the season. Did he start every game? Did he turn one game around and to enable us to win?

[MTK]

LaVar is one of the top 10 LB's in the game, can you at least agree with that, offiss?

If you agree I'm not sure what we're all arguing about or why this thread has lasted so long. LOL

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LaVar is one of the top 10 LB's in the game, can you at least agree with that, offiss?

If you agree I'm not sure what we're all arguing about or why this thread has lasted so long. LOL

Is Smoot a top 10 CB? If so let's give him 60 mil as well, My point is this even if he squeezed his way into the top 10 that doesn't make him an impact LB, it also doesn't mean he's that far ahead of let's say the guy who is top 20, let's face it Lemar is nothing special and our defense didn't mis a beat without Lavar, my point isn't that he's the worst LB in football, my point is he's not an impact LB, he's not special, is he a special athlete? Absolutly! Is he a special LB? I say no! I also say we could fill his position for a minimal contract and use the bulk for offensive help, that money would be far more usefull to the team than anything Lavar is going to bring to the table. William's could take an athletic rookie and turn him into a very good OLB, case and point Marshall and Clemon's guy's who couldn't make a roster are now being talked about in the same sentence as Lavar, LAVAR MARSHALL!

I know Lavar is here to stay I just disagree with his grossly overpaid contract, there's nothing that can be done about it now we are saddled with it, we probably wouldn't be talking about this if he wasen't trying to go after an additional 6mil on top of what he is already being paid, I just think about what we could do with his contract as well as Brunell to upgrade the rest of the team, over 100 mil in 2 player's 1 of which isn't even a starter, and the other, well you know my feeling's on that. :frusty: