NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

I'm with ya, I don't think on paper this is a bad deal, in fact if we hadn't drafted Rocky it would be a great deal for us. I think everyone's getting all upset over this based on the assumption that Rocky WILL be our starter at wlb. I hope he's ready to be, but as someone said maybe he's a bust, or just hasn't convinced the coaches yet. maybe they see him as a 3rd down LB or to spell both LB spots in some packages?

The other concern is the $. What's the difference between paying the #6 pick & Briggs? Both will get a hefty bonus, but Briggs is a proven commodity.

At #31 we can get a good DE, one that will start. I have reservations about the deal from a team chemistry standpoint more than a talent/value standpoint. As JoeRedskin said, a pro bowl LB & a 1st rnd. pick for a high 1st pick is a good deal. There's more certainty that Briggs will be a top player than the #6 will be. See the recent history of 1st round D-line picks if you disagree.

[Skinny Tee]

I hope this is the mother of all smokescreens!

One thing the Skins FO doesn't seems to comprehend is leverage. If the Bears have a disgruntled member of the defense and has said that he'll never play another down for them then ANY OTHER team should have the leverage to take that player off their hands.

We shouldn't have to bring any initiation of this trade to the table. That should incumbant upon the Bears. The only thing we should be fielding is a mere interest of taking him off their hands, not trade intiations!

I like the deal if the Skins held leverage and solely benefitted by removing him from the team that he swore he would never play for again(obvious leverage)...but I just know that is not going to take place.

KILL THIS DEAL! Let's just hope this is a major smokescreen play by someone who knows what their doing.

[JoeRedskin]

Here's another take:
The 6th Pick and Archuletta for Briggs, a late first rounder, a sixth and cap relief.

In many ways, I think the proposed trade - value wise - is about even. I honestly don't know much about Briggs - Is he a system LB (Warrick Holdman/Roosevelt Colvin)? OR Is he a game changer in any system (Wilber Marshall)?

Again, I am not in favor of the trade BUT, if Briggs is the real deal, then I don't think we are taking it up the butt either.

No - franchise players are rarely worth two-first rounders, that is why, when they are traded, it is usually negotiated down. But, and I may be wrong, rarely has a franchise player been traded w/out it costing at least one number one and something else. I haven't analyzed the history of the franchise player trades/signings - but I am pretty sure this would be one where the offering team keeps a first round draft pick.

That said, it all depends on whether or not Briggs is the real deal. If so, we get a guarranteed playmaker and a shot at a solid player in the draft.

[JoeRedskin]

Another thought - after last season, GWilliams said he was going to really analyze the defense and tear things apart if he had too. He also has made comments that indicate the base cover 2 may be vunerable and in need of revamping.

Perhaps Williams has a plan to revamp the defense to account for certain systemic deficiencies. (Wow - there's a concept, "'Skins Have A Plan" , talk about your odd concepts).

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

After sleeping on this the deal as proposed right now doesn't seem that bad to me. Would I want them to do it? No. But remember (as some have already pointed out) the price tag of a franchise player is two first rounders. In this scenario the Skins still keep a 1st rounder and get a franchise quality player. Can anyone deny what a great LB corps this would be with Washington, Fletcher, and Briggs... with Marshall and McIntosh coming off the bench?!

I think the Skins would actually be coming out ahead on this deal if they were to do it, that being said I'm not in favor of it.

This is the sort of logic that kind of makes me think this deal will get done. I can just see Danny now, thinking what a great deal it is because the normal price for a Franchise Player is two first round picks and he would only be giving up the equivalent of the #16 overall pick (in points; which is something to remember to those who say we aren't losing a first round pick, actually we are giving up the equivalent of a mid-first round pick). BUT how often do Franchise Players get traded? Ummmmm, that's right NEVER. The Sean Gilbert deal was the last one (which worked great for the Skins, maybe all these stupid trades are karma for that one, as they say payback is a b&#th). This is NOT a deal. I would be something else if the Redskins were giving up a 2nd round pick (which is basically the value that I think ANY OTHER FRANCHISE would give in a trade for Briggs) but this is giving up an elite pick for a non-elite position player. Linebackers are just not DTs or CBs or QBs, AND WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DRAFT AN ELITE PLAYER AT ONE OF THE ELITE POSITIONS AT #6!!! I cannot emphasize enough how horrible a move this is, not because Briggs is a bad player, but because YET AGAIN the Redskins look poised to vastly overpay for a player. Someone wake me up with the Dan Snyder nightmare is over. Even though I'm still pretty young, I fear that I might not see the end of it . . .

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by Big C

i actually think this would be a really good deal. briggs would be an upgrade over both washington and macintosh on the outside and we'd still have a first round pick, although much lower. we'd have awesome linebacker depth and would be able to rotate them. briggs is a pro bowl linebacker, this is a good deal if it happens IMO. this is a deep draft, there will be a good player at 31 and would upgrade the defense

That's right! Briggs would be our best defensive player instantly! He's 26 years old and would be a Redskin for many years to come. We still have a first round pick to address the defensive line. Normally a Franchise tag would mean Redskins loose 2 first round picks! We come out of this totally ahead. Only reason we had a shot is Briggs is so unhappy with no long term deal from the Bears. He's made the pro bowl the last 2 years and only a 4 year vet. MAJOR UPGRADE FOR SKINS HERE!!

[12thMan]

I don't like this trade at all. Briggs' capability and talent aside, when is this organization going to learn you can't import chemistry? That's the thing that has shot us in the foot year after year. We've never been short on talent, but always short on hunger, chemistry, and leadership.

If we pull this deal the Redskins will look good on paper yet again, but fail to produce on the field.

I can see it now, five games into the season and Briggs and Fletcher are still 'learning the system'.

We need to run like hell from Rosenhaus and his ink pen!

[FRPLG]

I think we're rationalizing now.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

KILL THIS DEAL! Let's just hope this is a major smokescreen play by someone who knows what their doing.

Until proven otherwise that would have to involve someone other than Dan Snyder/Vinny C./and (though it pains me to say it) PRESIDENT (as opposed to coach) Joe Gibbs.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

After sleeping on this the deal as proposed right now doesn't seem that bad to me. Would I want them to do it? No. But remember (as some have already pointed out) the price tag of a franchise player is two first rounders. In this scenario the Skins still keep a 1st rounder and get a franchise quality player. Can anyone deny what a great LB corps this would be with Washington, Fletcher, and Briggs... with Marshall and McIntosh coming off the bench?!

I think the Skins would actually be coming out ahead on this deal if they were to do it, that being said I'm not in favor of it.

i still want an extra pick from them though

[Skinny Tee]

The Skins still need a sack threatening DE and that is not something we are going to get with the 31st overall pick of the Bears. The only way we're getting a sack threatening DE is if we stick with our 6th overall.

A. Carter is a sufficent DE in that department but for the off chance that he goes down it would back to the 25 second window of time that other QBs have had every down against us. That has killed us the past two years.

[12thMan]

One more thing. Do we really think we'll just add another three new faces to this defense and we've solved our ills? I don't buy it.

Why in the hell did we draft Rocky...please save me the maybe he's a bust speech. Appearantly, the guy that was coaching him was a bust!

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't like this trade at all. Briggs' capability and talent aside, when is this organization going to learn you can't import chemistry? That's the thing that has shot us in the foot year after year. We've never been short on talent, but always short on hunger, chemistry, and leadership.

If we pull this deal the Redskins will look good on paper yet again, but fail to produce on the field.

I can see it now, five games into the season and Briggs and Fletcher are still 'learning the system'.

We need to run like hell from Rosenhaus and his ink pen!

Briggs and Fletcher are still learning how to knock somebody in the mouth? Think they know how to do that already dude.

Any rookie we draft at # 6 won't need to learn our system or will come in with instant chemistry??

[Beemnseven]

Let's say Smootsmack's theory on Marcus Washington is right, and he's got a nagging problem that bothers the coaches to the point that they need his replacement right away.

Here's what bothers me: It yet again demonstrates this front office's mental block towards the defensive line. Certainly the same argument could be made with regard to Joe Salave'a. He was nicked up all last year, couldn't hold up against the run, and the statistics against the run prove it. But why isn't there the same type of urgency to plan for his replacement? Here we were in prime position at #6 to get an impact player at his position but now, if these reports are true, they're willing to plummet to #31 where it's certain no defensive lineman will be available with any value.

Didn't Joe Gibbs understand how important it was to have a defensive line made up with the likes of Dave Butz, Daryl Grant, Dexter Manley and Charles Mann? What has happened that has taken his focus away from such a vital element to a strong defense?

[MTK]

Fletcher already knows the system so we can check that one off the list. Briggs is a concern though. He's a good player, no doubt, but how much has he benefited from playing with Urlacher? Would he even be a good fit for this D?