Where are the apologies?

[Big C]

im glad we won last night

[EternalEnigma21]

I've been reeling all day. I worked a 12 hour shift today after staying up until 4 am drinking and laughing uncontrollably, woke up at 630 and had more energy today than I've had in months.

[illdefined]

so we can get back to celebrating the historic comeback victory? are we done questioning board member's loyalties? good.

[skinsfan0201]

Let's tone down all of the ignorant comments including ones about trading anyone during bye weeks. That is not wise.

[mooby]

while mark brunell didn't look particulary effective for 56 minutes monday night, those two deep passes showed me something. It showed me we can have a deep passing game, and if Joe Gibbs doesn't start incorporating that into his gameplan he's not realizing how good we are, and how good we can be. That said, i do believe he will start doing that when we play Seattle.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by mooby

while mark brunell didn't look particulary effective for 56 minutes monday night, those two deep passes showed me something. It showed me we can have a deep passing game, and if Joe Gibbs doesn't start incorporating that into his gameplan he's not realizing how good we are, and how good we can be. That said, i do believe he will start doing that when we play Seattle.

That's pretty much how I feel about the situation. Hopefully, Brunell proved to himself and to Gibbs that he can throw the ball deep, and hopefully, Gibbs will continue to allow him to do so-- without waiting until they're backed into a corner and have no choice.

The offense went nowhere (and will continue to go nowhere, like it did in the first 56 minutes against the Cowboys) if Gibbs pulls the reigns back in. Santana Moss was brought to the Redskins to do exactly what he did in the last 4 minutes of that game. Gibbs needs to maximize the use Moss's talents; in doing so, he will maximize the capabilities of this offense, and maximize this team's ability to win any game.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

That's pretty much how I feel about the situation. Hopefully, Brunell proved to himself and to Gibbs that he can throw the ball deep, and hopefully, Gibbs will continue to allow him to do so-- without waiting until they're backed into a corner and have no choice.

The offense went nowhere (and will continue to go nowhere, like it did in the first 56 minutes against the Cowboys) if Gibbs pulls the reigns back in. Santana Moss was brought to the Redskins to do exactly what he did in the last 4 minutes of that game. Gibbs needs to maximize the use Moss's talents; in doing so, he will maximize the capabilities of this offense, and maximize this team's ability to win any game.

absolutely. isn't this is the consensus among all Redskins fans right now? does anybody still think we can win games with the original gameplan/offensive execution of the first 56 1/2 minutes of the Dallas game?

when i did the "Dallas Game Needs A Nickname" thread, my favorite was the "The Beginning" because i really hope it is. The beginning of something *NEW*

[56FAN]

brunell got sacked 5 times, can you imagine how many times ramsey would have been sacked. also that long run on 3rd down ?, ramsey would have never made it.again , i like ramsey but he's got a ways to go in his decision making to be all he can become.
brunell tends to be short and raqmsey tends to be long and short on his passes.brunell was the right choise for this game

[Hog1]

WORD TO LIVE BY!!!!!!

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I just got home from a trip - - had to watch the game in a hotel bar last night. I fully expected to see at least three or four threads in here full of apologies from people who had accused Joe Gibbs of being a lying weasel and a backstabbing ne'er-do-well, but I can't seem to find them. OK, you may still not like the way he handled the situation, but he got it right.

Maybe it's my browser that can't find the threads here that would try to explain that Patrick Ramsey would not have made that 25 yard scramble in the 4th quarter because had he started then, he'd still be running to make it to the full 25 yards.

So, let me say it explicitly:


Joe Gibbs made a QB decision and it was the CORRECT one.

Joe Gibbs is not infallible but he appears to know just a tad more about QBs than the "Patrick Ramsey Fan Cub" officers.


Now let me make a prediction that will make me no friends among the Patrick Ramsey Fan Club officers and members:


Unless Brunell is incapable of playing, Patrick Ramsey will not take another meaningful snap all of this year.

Next year, Ramsey's status with the team will be determined exclusively by two things:


1. The economics of his contract.

2. The development of Jason Campbell. If Campbell is ready to be the #2 QB next year, Ramsey's contract is a bit expensive for a #3 QB


Absent injury to Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey's next start in a meaningful regular season NFL game will be in a different uniform.

[VTSkins897]

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[ArringtonRules]

First of all I want to say that was the most amazing win I have ever seen. I know I raised a lot of hell about the QB switch, when it was made, but for 50+ odd minutes Brunell was not doing something. I will say this that Brunell is a lot better QB than he was a year ago. I think Gibbs finally opened up the playcalling in desperation and looks like he found something. Brunell and Gibbs proved me wrong and I hope they keep on proving me wrong this entire season.
On another note I have liked Ramsey from the begining and I still do. I really do believe that he will make a fine QB in NFL, but he has to be given oppurtunities and shown some patience. Ramsey does not have near the number of starts that every other QB from his class does. It's difficult fo any QB to be yanked around like that and still expect his to perform at a high level, without playing to his strenghts. Ramsey has a very good arm, but when did we see playcalling this season or last season that took advantage of that arm.
Anywayz I will stop now and savour this win. I am really enjoying it hear in Texas. Every morning I get up to hear these CowTurds complain about how we got just lucky. They are finally experiecing what we have been for the past 2 seasons..
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!!

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I just got home from a trip - - had to watch the game in a hotel bar last night. I fully expected to see at least three or four threads in here full of apologies from people who had accused Joe Gibbs of being a lying weasel and a backstabbing ne'er-do-well, but I can't seem to find them. OK, you may still not like the way he handled the situation, but he got it right.

Maybe it's my browser that can't find the threads here that would try to explain that Patrick Ramsey would not have made that 25 yard scramble in the 4th quarter because had he started then, he'd still be running to make it to the full 25 yards.

So, let me say it explicitly:


Joe Gibbs made a QB decision and it was the CORRECT one.

Joe Gibbs is not infallible but he appears to know just a tad more about QBs than the "Patrick Ramsey Fan Cub" officers.


Now let me make a prediction that will make me no friends among the Patrick Ramsey Fan Club officers and members:


Unless Brunell is incapable of playing, Patrick Ramsey will not take another meaningful snap all of this year.

Next year, Ramsey's status with the team will be determined exclusively by two things:


1. The economics of his contract.

2. The development of Jason Campbell. If Campbell is ready to be the #2 QB next year, Ramsey's contract is a bit expensive for a #3 QB


Absent injury to Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey's next start in a meaningful regular season NFL game will be in a different uniform.

[That Guy]

no one can really say what ramsey could or couldn't have done for sure, because he didn't play the game. brunell was awful, but he flipped some switch and hopefully he continues. As long as we win or don't have 56minutes of crap play every game, i can live just fine with him as our QB.

[offiss]

Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself.

NOOOOOOOOO, no way Ramsey could have done that, I seem to remember a game 3 years ago when he lead us back against Philli when he hit McCants on about a 40 yard strike down the middle for a TD late in the final minute. I also remember him coming in the Giant game last year and moving the ball up and down the field when Brunell did nothing but give up a defensive TD. Then Ramsey recieved a start against those very Giants and kicked their A**'s up and down the field, but it's just fine to kill anyone who believes Ramsey would have put up points and wouldn't have been in a position where he didn't need a miracle 4 minutes.

Bottom line Ramsey will score points, he proved it last year when Brunell failed, and for all those who think that monday night is how football games are won? Think again, lets see how pleased you are with that type of play when we are around game 12 and our defense is burnt out because they spent the first 11 game's on the field the majority of the time.

It's funny we haven't heard anything about Brunell's INT, and his fumble as well, I thought Gibbs main objective was to hang on to the ball, Brunell 10 starts, Brunell 10 turnovers.

Brunell didn't win this game with a methotical drive carving up a defense ala Montana, he threw the ball up in desperation because he couldn't move the ball with anything remotly resembling consistancy. I don't even lay all the blame on Brunell either, I lay it on Gibbs simplistic, conservative, offensive approach, which Ramsey has had not only to fight through, but had to fight a stacked deck as well in Gibbs desire to play Brunell.

Watching Gibbs press confrence I had what wouldn't be a strong feeling but a possible hint that he may be coming to the conclusion that other than the last 4 minutes in which he knows he was very lucky to win, Brunell was horrible, I really didn't hear him praising Brunell as in the past, after all we overcame a mountain in the final 4 minutes to avoid being shutout.

[STPainmaker]

Originally Posted by offiss

Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself.

NOOOOOOOOO, no way Ramsey could have done that, I seem to remember a game 3 years ago when he lead us back against Philli when he hit McCants on about a 40 yard strike down the middle for a TD late in the final minute. I also remember him coming in the Giant game last year and moving the ball up and down the field when Brunell did nothing but give up a defensive TD. Then Ramsey recieved a start against those very Giants and kicked their A**'s up and down the field, but it's just fine to kill anyone who believes Ramsey would have put up points and wouldn't have been in a position where he didn't need a miracle 4 minutes.

Bottom line Ramsey will score points, he proved it last year when Brunell failed, and for all those who think that monday night is how football games are won? Think again, lets see how pleased you are with that type of play when we are around game 12 and our defense is burnt out because they spent the first 11 game's on the field the majority of the time.

It's funny we haven't heard anything about Brunell's INT, and his fumble as well, I thought Gibbs main objective was to hang on to the ball, Brunell 10 starts, Brunell 10 turnovers.

Brunell didn't win this game with a methotical drive carving up a defense ala Montana, he threw the ball up in desperation because he couldn't move the ball with anything remotly resembling consistancy. I don't even lay all the blame on Brunell either, I lay it on Gibbs simplistic, conservative, offensive approach, which Ramsey has had not only to fight through, but had to fight a stacked deck as well in Gibbs desire to play Brunell.

Watching Gibbs press confrence I had what wouldn't be a strong feeling but a possible hint that he may be coming to the conclusion that other than the last 4 minutes in which he knows he was very lucky to win, Brunell was horrible, I really didn't hear him praising Brunell as in the past, after all we overcame a mountain in the final 4 minutes to avoid being shutout.

I agree with alot of what you are saying I mean Ramsey came up with some big plays but Brunell's passes were pretty much perfectly thrown balls, on a route. Not a hail mary where evryone's in the end zone waving their hands. I also think both of these guys are so inconsistent that you can't say Ramsey would have definitely done better. I feel you man but I think for whatever this win is worth Ramsey won't start again barring injury.

[SmootSmack]

When did Brunell fumble?