Gays in the NFL. How Do You Really Feel?

[mredskins]

I have no problem with gays and believe they are entitled to everything heterosexuals have.

But it personally brothers me when they are next to me in the locker room. Sorry if that hurts someone's feelings. I also don't like vanilla ice cream. Who am I hurting or limiting their rights by saying I don't like standing next to a gay man in a locker room?

There is a reason why they have a men's locker room and a women's locker room.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

"it's normal way of life"?? It is the most common and, thus, prevalent in advertising, pop culture, literature and other media. Just because something is uncommon, does not mean it isn't "normal". You and a substantial number of individuals consider it abnormal for any number of a myriad of reasons. Personally, I find nothing abnormal about homosexual relationships.

Further, from basic human physiology, there is nothing abnormal about it. Some folks are vegitarians, some aren't. Each satisfies a particular physiological appetite (hunger) differently. Neither is "abnormal". Most guys satisfy their physiological appetite for sex with women, some with men and some with either.

Your statements are false. By definition, "normal" means "conforming to the standard or common typle." homosexuality is abnormal, because it does not conform to the standard. vegetarianism is also not normal (in the united states). Both are abnormal, by definition.

You mention physiology, which i find funny, because homosexuality is very unusual and a mystery of evolutionary theory.

However, just because something is abnormal, doesnt mean we should hate it/not tolerate it/discriminate against it in. This socieity would fall apart if we discriminated against people just for being abnormal. In fact, i'm pretty sure most of us have some quirk about our physical appearance, emotional makeup, religion, values, preferences, tastes, etc. that make us abnormal.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I have no problem with gays and believe they are entitled to everything heterosexuals have.

But it personally brothers me when they are next to me in the locker room. Sorry if that hurts someone's feelings. I also don't like vanilla ice cream. Who am I hurting or limiting their rights by saying I don't like standing next to a gay man in a locker room?

There is a reason why they have a men's locker room and a women's locker room.

So are you proposing that a gay man use the womens locker room? Because i'm sure that would make both the gay man, and the majority of women, uncomfortable. I'm also pretty sure that most NFL stadiums dont have women's lockerrooms.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, to play devil's advocate, the issue isn't what they are doing in the bedroom, but, rather, what they might be doing and <gasp> thinking in the locker room.

Hey 44, they want you man ... they really, really want you. Desparetely.

Seriously, if a gay wants to check you out, he doesn't need a locker room to do it.

I thought the issue was free speech, wait or was it morality, now it's just who's checking out whose stuff???

Isn't that like Jr. High (middle school now i guess) garbage.

I do suppose now might not be the best time for a


Like most of american societal morass, it'll all be folded into some politically correct non-offending (except to those who are offended) viewpoint which will move the dialogue forward to the same point it was at a week ago, which is to say a never ending circular debate that neither persuades nor dissuades one from the certainty of their viewpoint and the wrongness of the opposition.

maybe it's time for this one to move on over to the debating with the enemies thread.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think it's a bigger issue than a guy not wanting to shower or be nude near a gay guy. Some people still cannot accept homosexuality, period.

For me it is no bigger issue then that. I accept homosexuality.


For you it doesn't bother you that is fine but at some point you have a line in the sand too where it will bother you. Would you share a bed with a gay man? A tent? Kiss him on the cheeck good bye? ETC... Everyone has their own tolerances.

Also let me be clear too even though it bothers me to have a gay man in the locker room with me I don't believe he should not be allowed in there just because it bothers me. It was my choice to use a public locker room.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by mredskins

For me it is no bigger issue then that. I accept homosexuality.


For you it doesn't bother you that is fine but at some point you have a line in the sand too where it will bother you. Would you share a bed with a gay man? A tent? Kiss him on the cheeck good bye? ETC... Everyone has their own tolerances.

Also let me be clear too even though it bothers me to have a gay man in the locker room with me I don't believe he should not be allowed in there just because it bothers me. It was my choice to use a public locker room.

Damn well said.

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by firstdown

All he really said is that he didn't want gays in his locker room. I'm sure their are plenty of men who would not feel comfortable walking around nude with a gay in the same bathroom. What happend to his right to free speech.

Nothing happened to his right to free speech. What are you talking about?

He's free to say whatever idiotic things he wants to say, and others are free to point out what out what a jackass he is for saying them. That's free speech in action.

And considering the ratio of homosexuals in society, it's a given that every single player in the NFL has been in the locker room buck naked with a gay or bi or curious dude at least once.

Culliver needs to get a grip, and so does any dude who is bothered by the sexuality of another dude. Just because someone is attracted to men, doesn't mean they give a damn about eyeing me or is attracted to me. I'm not attracted to every woman I see, clothed or not.

See how it works?

[JoeRedskin]

This thread gets an epic: "Wow. Just Wow."

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Believe me us strait men don't worry about it or care what you all do among yourselves. But why the need for the coming out announcements and the gay parades ect... If your just gay then just be gay and stop advertising. We don't...

And by you I don't mean you personally just in general.

* snapping my finger in a zig zag motion...*

You don't speak for me. I'm a straight dude and I'm comfortable enough in my sexuality that the idea of there being a gay dude in the locker room with me, or a gay dude coming out (which is a big deal if you were to educate yourself), or gay people going to parades doesn't give me the creeps because IDGAF, and I find your suggestion above incredibly lame and Culliver's marks incredibly offensive.

[ashvirtually]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It comes down to homophobia and insecurity, simple as that.

As a straight guy if I was in a locker room and a gay guy caught a shot of my ween, why the F would I care if I'm totally secure with myself and have zero interest in that? Homophobes I'm tellin' ya.

Pretty much.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

This thread gets an epic: "Wow. Just Wow."

yeah, but you knew would get there eventually. I like how 12th said "How Do You Really Feel?" in the title, with that I thought we'd get there sooner rather than later.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

... still think hell doesn't exist?

I have a sneaking suspicion that there's a Purgatory, it's name is Warpath.

I can quit any time. Really, I can.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

By definition, "normal" means "conforming to the standard or common typle." homosexuality is abnormal, because it does not conform to the standard. vegetarianism is also not normal (in the united states). Both are abnormal, by definition.

Oi! Don't you belittle MY PEOPLE! Vegetarians are people, too!

[JoeRedskin]

BTW -> @ BHA - Upon reflection, I agree with your assertion of the primary definition of normal and generally agree with the rest of your post. At this point, not going to nit pick about my disagreements.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Oi! Don't you belittle MY PEOPLE! Vegetarians are people, too!

You may be a person, but you're not normal if you don't put meat in your mouth.