Rogers Frustrated By Some Redskins Fans

[aceinthehouse]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

d hall is the most picked on, burnt corner in the league by ALOT. The successful completion percentage against him this year is unbelievable.

Hall offers more to this redskins team than Carlos Rogers ever will.

Hall gets turnovers for our team.
Hall can be a returner if needed.
Hall gets strips and takes them to the house.
Hall earns his money...

Rogers drops INT's
then complains about the fans for getting bood...

Gosh...who should we keep?

[Hog1]

...................PFT.............nothing to see here

[over the mountain]

really ace? so lets just ignore the fact that hall is statistically THEY WORST corner in the league by a landslide b/c he gets picks.

ace you dont even watch the skins games unless its a monday or sunday nighter. it seems every game you come on here afterwards and say you didnt get to watch it. im guessin your 15 and cant get to a bar in missouri with sunday ticket.

gosh? what info should i base my opinion on? me watching games and reviewing statistics or a kid in missouri who watches 3 games a year?

no worries, everyone is entitled to their opinion and perceptions of the skins, in the end we all suffer together anyways.

[aceinthehouse]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

really ace? so lets just ignore the fact that hall is statistically THEY WORST corner in the league by a landslide b/c he gets picks.

ace you dont even watch the skins games unless its a monday or sunday nighter. it seems every game you come on here afterwards and say you didnt get to watch it. im guessin your 15 and cant get to a bar in missouri with sunday ticket.

gosh? what info should i base my opinion on? me watching games and reviewing statistics or a kid in missouri who watches 3 games a year?

no worries, everyone is entitled to their opinion and perceptions of the skins, in the end we all suffer together anyways.

I've been a Redskins fan for 30 years "over the mountain"
I have 2 of our SB's on VHS....(87' and 91')
I played for 15+ years including semi pro and I've coached as well
I've been married for over 11+ years
I have 2 DWI's,so I don't go to bars anymore (probably not wise for me to do so)\
But I own my home and have Direct TV,so I'm good

You are making assumptions,which are not true Over the mountain...

Let me tell you what is true...over the mountain
aceinthehouse (or Michael if you are curious)
I Will forget more about football,than you will EVER know...

And your 1st problem is you base what you know off statistics.
That's not wise...

I too am a Statistician and love numbers...that's what i do.

But I also use common knowledge and intellect,when basing what I know from player personal to gametime situations.

Statistics tells you part of the story,but it doesn't tell you all of it.
and it certainly doesn't tell you which player has heart,which player has leadership and which player comes up big when the game is on the line.

In your eyes..Hall sucks because he statistically..is the worst CB in the game because of the catches he allows.

And In my eyes.Hall is more valuable to the redskins than Carlos Rogers because we would NOT be 5-6 if Hall was not on this team. But rather 3-8 and finished.

Take Hall out of the Cowboys game...we don't get the HUGE play before halftime and we lose...

Take Hall out of the Bears game...and we not only do NOT win by 3,but possibly get our BUTTS handed to us because HALL took the ball out the bears Offense 4 times and gave it to Mcnabb.

4 times the Bears did not score at all!

and he took 1 of those for a TD and gave the Redskins POINTS...7 points we needed cause we only won the game,by 3....

I don't disagree with you that he is not that great of a cover CB.

I'm only saying,that although that's true...he still more valuable to the redskins as a Playmaker because he can win games by his ball skills.

Carlos NEVER has done that and probably never will.

and to me...that is more important to a defense...

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

I Will forget more about football,than you will EVER know...

12-4 buddy, 12-4.

[aceinthehouse]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

12-4 buddy, 12-4.

Are you talking about my prediction?

I had 14-2...lol
not 12-4

I was so-so on my predictions this season so far..
I was wrong about the Eagles being bad
Minny winning div.
Redskins going 14-2

I did have Bears winning div.
Niners winning div. (could happen?)
Chiefs winning div
Dallas going like 6-10 or worse...(it's in the NFC east thread I created here)


Hit and miss on them...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

Are you talking about my prediction?

I had 14-2...lol
not 12-4

I was so-so on my predictions this season so far..
I was wrong about the Eagles being bad
Minny winning div.
Redskins going 14-2

I did have Bears winning div.
Niners winning div. (could happen?)
Chiefs winning div
Dallas going like 6-10 or worse...(it's in the NFC east thread I created here)


Hit and miss on them...

Just asking how you had Minny and the Bears winning the division?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

Are you talking about my prediction?

I had 14-2...lol
not 12-4

...

dang it, i had "14-2 buddy, 14-2" but then i was like man theres no way he predicted 14-2, i must be confused, i then talked myself into thinking you predicted 12-4.

anyways, cheers buddy!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

Are you talking about my prediction?

I had 14-2...lol
not 12-4

I was so-so on my predictions this season so far..
I was wrong about the Eagles being bad
Minny winning div.
Redskins going 14-2

LOL. You predicted this team would go 14-2 and then talk about talent like you have a full grasp on it? What made you think the talent level changed from a 4-12 team to a 14-2 team? I think this all goes back to my statement earlier about Redskin fans over estimating the talent on our team. It can be hilarious or sad depending on how you look at it.

[SBXVII]

Since I'm late to the party I'm sure it's already been said but...

Maybe if Carlos "Hands" Rogers would support the team, perhaps the fans would support the team as well as him better.

I don't know why he can't read the tea leaves especially since he's been here so long, but after 10+ yrs of fans getting a crap sandwich I think fans have a reason to be a bit pessimistic until they now only see a steak in front of them but taste it also.

Carlos.... prove you and the team to include management deserve more then reserved fandom. As I recall after getting beat twice you conveniently left the game with an injury. Surely you wouldn't want to embarrass yourself more?

[SmootSmack]

Maybe it's because the "passion" isn't there for other teams as it is for the Redskins, but of all the games I've been to in DC over the past few years (Redskins, Caps, Wizards, Nationals, United, even Mystics) I've never experienced booing quite so extreme as for the Redskins. And there have been some dud teams beyond just the Skins

[aceinthehouse]

Many here probably disagree,but I have a huge problem with Players taking Jabs at their fans...
haven't had a chance to explain why I think this,so here I go.

I understand players get frustrated. I've played football all my life (not around 80K+ fans) but I've heard the boos and cheers from my end.

I was a pretty good player,I will admit.
I had great games and bad games.
I've played on an undefeated team before and I've played on below .500 teams.

I've blown up at the coach before1 time during a game(ONE TIME)...I've walked off the practice field in disgust....
(I played many positions in my time as a player)

But there are two things I've never done as a football player in the 15+ years I played (including semi-pro)

I've never yelled out to a player on the team and placed blame and I've never yelled at the fans or blamed them for how they felt the game was going or any rude jesters I may have heard.

Why?
--------------------
I was always way to focused on the game at the time,to worry about anything else.
Not just on my responsibilities,but how I personally could help the team or make an impact on winning. That's all that mattered and was all that was important to me..winning!

And when WE didn't win and/or I played a bad game or didn't come up huge in a game....ALL the blame was on me and why I didn't play better.

...and the one time I blew up at the coach as I mentioned earlier,was because in a big game...the long snapper hiked the ball over my head as I was standing on the Goalline to Punt for Safety. (and I'm 6'2" and can jump) and did so many games throughout the season.

I'm talking one handed grabs in the air from jumping,then to set my feet and Punt. It was crazy that season..he was that bad. (Should have won MVP for the year on that alone) Not to mention,I still averaged 43.4 yards as well on top of that for the year.

But I never yelled at the Center (long snapper) but I was pissed coming over to the sidelines and yelled at the coach "get me a Bleeping Center!" out of frustration. (long snapper did not hear that) as I was trotting back to the field to Punt the ball on the Kickoff.

Only time I ever yelled at any coach I ever had. (I saw this coming and nothing was done about it,to prevent that catastrophe) So I blew up...

This worked well for me though,as I went back out to play Eagle/Arkansas Linebacker on Defense though...

I guess the point I'm trying to make is...
I understand these guys are on radio shows,interviews and whatever...

But I find it very sad,that of all the problems the Redskins have...and all the things that Carlos could and should be doing...be it working out...watching game film to get better....working on his *new* contract as he will be a free agent....hanging out with friends or being with his girlfriend/wife...

That the one thing on his mind,is the treatment towards him/team by the fan base,that is not happy with the way things are going.

So instead of just trying to improve and get better and help the Washington Redskins win,he needs to find some kind of blame elsewhere.

This tells me...that carlos is a very mentally weak individual.
I would not want this guy on my team.

I don't want ANYONE like that on my team.
Because if you are blaming the fans,then I'm sure you are going to blame your teammates and so on...At least from my perspective.

That's a bad teammate who has no accountibility or humility...
He's also probably not the only person who is like this...

If Shanny has the same mindset that I do....
Carlos will not be wearing the Burgundy and Gold next season. (nor will many others)

have too...to change this culture around gentleman...
This destroys teams...

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

Many here probably disagree,but I have a huge problem with Players taking Jabs at their fans...
haven't had a chance to explain why I think this,so here I go.

I understand players get frustrated. I've played football all my life (not around 80K+ fans) but I've heard the boos and cheers from my end.

I was a pretty good player,I will admit.
I had great games and bad games.
I've played on an undefeated team before and I've played on below .500 teams.

I've blown up at the coach before1 time during a game(ONE TIME)...I've walked off the practice field in disgust....
(I played many positions in my time as a player)

But there are two things I've never done as a football player in the 15+ years I played (including semi-pro)

I've never yelled out to a player on the team and placed blame and I've never yelled at the fans or blamed them for how they felt the game was going or any rude jesters I may have heard.

Why?
--------------------
I was always way to focused on the game at the time,to worry about anything else.
Not just on my responsibilities,but how I personally could help the team or make an impact on winning. That's all that mattered and was all that was important to me..winning!

And when WE didn't win and/or I played a bad game or didn't come up huge in a game....ALL the blame was on me and why I didn't play better.

...and the one time I blew up at the coach as I mentioned earlier,was because in a big game...the long snapper hiked the ball over my head as I was standing on the Goalline to Punt for Safety. (and I'm 6'2" and can jump) and did so many games throughout the season.

I'm talking one handed grabs in the air from jumping,then to set my feet and Punt. It was crazy that season..he was that bad. (Should have won MVP for the year on that alone) Not to mention,I still averaged 43.4 yards as well on top of that for the year.

But I never yelled at the Center (long snapper) but I was pissed coming over to the sidelines and yelled at the coach "get me a Bleeping Center!" out of frustration. (long snapper did not hear that) as I was trotting back to the field to Punt the ball on the Kickoff.

Only time I ever yelled at any coach I ever had. (I saw this coming and nothing was done about it,to prevent that catastrophe) So I blew up...

This worked well for me though,as I went back out to play Eagle/Arkansas Linebacker on Defense though...

I guess the point I'm trying to make is...
I understand these guys are on radio shows,interviews and whatever...

But I find it very sad,that of all the problems the Redskins have...and all the things that Carlos could and should be doing...be it working out...watching game film to get better....working on his *new* contract as he will be a free agent....hanging out with friends or being with his girlfriend/wife...

That the one thing on his mind,is the treatment towards him/team by the fan base,that is not happy with the way things are going.

So instead of just trying to improve and get better and help the Washington Redskins win,he needs to find some kind of blame elsewhere.

This tells me...that carlos is a very mentally weak individual.
I would not want this guy on my team.

I don't want ANYONE like that on my team.
Because if you are blaming the fans,then I'm sure you are going to blame your teammates and so on...At least from my perspective.

That's a bad teammate who has no accountibility or humility...
He's also probably not the only person who is like this...

If Shanny has the same mindset that I do....
Carlos will not be wearing the Burgundy and Gold next season. (nor will many others)

have too...to change this culture around gentleman...
This destroys teams...

tl;dr

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

Many here probably disagree,but I have a huge problem with Players taking Jabs at their fans...
haven't had a chance to explain why I think this,so here I go.

I understand players get frustrated. I've played football all my life (not around 80K+ fans) but I've heard the boos and cheers from my end.

I was a pretty good player,I will admit.
I had great games and bad games.
I've played on an undefeated team before and I've played on below .500 teams.

I've blown up at the coach before1 time during a game(ONE TIME)...I've walked off the practice field in disgust....
(I played many positions in my time as a player)

But there are two things I've never done as a football player in the 15+ years I played (including semi-pro)

I've never yelled out to a player on the team and placed blame and I've never yelled at the fans or blamed them for how they felt the game was going or any rude jesters I may have heard.

Why?
--------------------
I was always way to focused on the game at the time,to worry about anything else.
Not just on my responsibilities,but how I personally could help the team or make an impact on winning. That's all that mattered and was all that was important to me..winning!

And when WE didn't win and/or I played a bad game or didn't come up huge in a game....ALL the blame was on me and why I didn't play better.

...and the one time I blew up at the coach as I mentioned earlier,was because in a big game...the long snapper hiked the ball over my head as I was standing on the Goalline to Punt for Safety. (and I'm 6'2" and can jump) and did so many games throughout the season.

I'm talking one handed grabs in the air from jumping,then to set my feet and Punt. It was crazy that season..he was that bad. (Should have won MVP for the year on that alone) Not to mention,I still averaged 43.4 yards as well on top of that for the year.

But I never yelled at the Center (long snapper) but I was pissed coming over to the sidelines and yelled at the coach "get me a Bleeping Center!" out of frustration. (long snapper did not hear that) as I was trotting back to the field to Punt the ball on the Kickoff.

Only time I ever yelled at any coach I ever had. (I saw this coming and nothing was done about it,to prevent that catastrophe) So I blew up...

This worked well for me though,as I went back out to play Eagle/Arkansas Linebacker on Defense though...

I guess the point I'm trying to make is...
I understand these guys are on radio shows,interviews and whatever...

But I find it very sad,that of all the problems the Redskins have...and all the things that Carlos could and should be doing...be it working out...watching game film to get better....working on his *new* contract as he will be a free agent....hanging out with friends or being with his girlfriend/wife...

That the one thing on his mind,is the treatment towards him/team by the fan base,that is not happy with the way things are going.

So instead of just trying to improve and get better and help the Washington Redskins win,he needs to find some kind of blame elsewhere.

This tells me...that carlos is a very mentally weak individual.
I would not want this guy on my team.

I don't want ANYONE like that on my team.
Because if you are blaming the fans,then I'm sure you are going to blame your teammates and so on...At least from my perspective.

That's a bad teammate who has no accountibility or humility...
He's also probably not the only person who is like this...

If Shanny has the same mindset that I do....
Carlos will not be wearing the Burgundy and Gold next season. (nor will many others)

have too...to change this culture around gentleman...
This destroys teams...

Why are you assuming that this one comment must mean the one thing on his mind is how the fans are acting at the games? He just made one comment, doesn't mean it's consuming him.

I just responded to your post, does that mean I've got nothing else on my mind?

[Longtimefan]

^^TBH, I don't think it's the booing that has become the major concern. Some are saying the fan experience at Fed Ex is becoming one of the worst in professional football. It's the behavior aside from the booing that has people concerned.