Campbell's numbers dont lie

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think AR will be unemployed for a very long time.

I just think it's time for us to turn the page on JC. He's never had great players around him and probably never will here. But McNabb has never had great wr's either. When I see Todd Collins come off the bench and outplay JC that was one thing. But when hear guys that watch the coaches tape all say the same things I've been wondering, I think it's JC that's the problem....doesn't get the ball out on time, sloppy footwork, inaccurate, ball security issues, locks in on one wr...... I like the guy and I hope it works out for him but I just think it's time to move on.

I dont know if TC outplayed JC but with no live game action since 2007 and almost no practice with the 1st team O he did play about as good as JC which says a lot about JC as a QB.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont know if TC outplayed JC but with no live game action since 2007 and almost no practice with the 1st team O he did play about as good as JC which says a lot about JC as a QB.

I'm talking about the 07 season.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.

Newsflash: I'll be tracking these QBs all season (many here appreciate it).

If you don't care...don't comment on them.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

Newsflash: I'll be tracking these QBs all season (many here appreciate it).

If you don't care...don't comment on them.

I see what you're saying but I'm not sure any of us have the power to say don't comment on my posts if you don't like them haha

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rogers makes MORE THAN enough plays so you take the good and the bad...cause the good outweighs the bad by a mile. . And I would hardly call his wr's the best in the NFL. After watching Rogers for a two years what I've seen is a guy that is good enough to be effective when things are not perfect around him. With Campbell it seems everything has to be perfect for him to be effective.

I found it interesting that Packers coach Mike McCarthy put 6 of 8 sacks at Rodgers feet for not getting the ball out on time. A lot of folks have been using Rodgers as an example of a QB who puts up numbers despite a high number of sacks, but now we know that he may be bringing much of those on himself if you believe his coach. The only QB numbers that really matter to me is whether the guy wins games for you, and for Rodgers, the jury is still out on that count.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

who cares???? you can show me stats all you want but my eyes don't lie and stats do. and when i see a qb consistenly throw the ball late, miss guys that are open, not let plays develop cause he doesn't trust his o-line, fumble the ball, throw the ball when his feet aren't set, not move safeties with his eyes and pump fakes then i don't need to see stats. people need to stop making this an o-line issue. it's an o-line issue but it's also a qb issue too.

Well, try not to get all high and mighty on those of us trying to have a civil conversation.

Campbell is struggling at a whole lot of things right now, and his overall numbers are dropping to career-average levels. At the end of the year, Campbell will more or less look like the same passer he has the last few seasons, which disappoints those of us who were predicting 20% improvement across the board.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

Newsflash: I'll be tracking these QBs all season (many here appreciate it).

If you don't care...don't comment on them.

i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and cutler has no NFL wr's so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and cutler has no NFL wr's so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.

So Cutler is in the same boat as us then?

Adam Schefter just reported that the Redskins were interested in Sam Bradford, which, I'm pretty confident that we haven't hired the person who would be making those decisions yet.

[DBUCHANON101]

Id rather see us go LT in the draft and if there isnt a good QB in the 2nd we can then go after a QB in FA. We definately need a LT and a Center first and foremost. Then a RB to take snaps from CP.
I guess it all depends on what our new HC wants to do offensively. But it all starts up front.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So Cutler is in the same boat as us then?

Adam Schefter just reported that the Redskins were interested in Sam Bradford, which, I'm pretty confident that we haven't hired the person who would be making those decisions yet.

Did he say interested or just that he wouldn't likely slip past us? This is all connected to Dr. James Andrews performing surgery on Bradford, right?

As for all these stats being tossed around here. Stats are a funny thing. We can look back at the 1991 season and say "Wow, Rypien had 28 TDs and just 11 INTs that year" but most of us wouldn't recall that he had 11 TDs and 7 INTs (or something like that) at the halfway point. And if we looked only at the stats, we wouldn't think that was the QB of an 8-0 team

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So Cutler is in the same boat as us then?

Adam Schefter just reported that the Redskins were interested in Sam Bradford, which, I'm pretty confident that we haven't hired the person who would be making those decisions yet.

No. Cutler had a huge year last year and is regarded around the NFL as a better QB than Campbell. Could JC put numbers similar to Cutler if he was in Denver's offense? No. Because he doesn't force the issue, he's not a risk taker, he checks down too early when plays are still developing. All the top QB's in the NFL are risk takers....the number one risk taker is Drew Brees. JC is a care taker.

I haven't seen enough of Bradford but I assume he takes most of his snaps out of shotgun?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

i wasn't trying to bust your balls. but sanchez is a rookie and cutler has no NFL wr's so i don't see how the stats show who is the best qb out of the 3.

JC who????? This argument isn't even an argument... Campbell is terrible and Cutler is legit but has nothing to throw to.. We would have been way better with Cutler or Sanchez, so can we stop talking about Campbell!! I can't wait until he's gone.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

So Cutler is in the same boat as us then?

Adam Schefter just reported that the Redskins were interested in Sam Bradford, which, I'm pretty confident that we haven't hired the person who would be making those decisions yet.

Of course we are lol Everyone want's Bradford!! He's a Peyton Manning like QB, it don't matter who our Coach is next season, they would want Sam.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

JC who????? This argument isn't even an argument... Campbell is terrible and Cutler is legit but has nothing to throw to.. We would have been way better with Cutler or Sanchez, so can we stop talking about Campbell!! I can't wait until he's gone.

The Vince Young apologists club weeps for you.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

McNabb and Campbell is still an interesting comparison because both guys have been under imense pressure to perform over the last 3 years or so, and McNabb's results just don't seem to move with the talent he's been given. McNabb is actually having a worse year than Campbell, and remarkably is doing it with DeSean Jackson having the best year by a NFC East receiver since Moss '05. I don't really know why that's happening.

McNabb, however, is still winning because the Philadelphia defense has been excellent, and Oakland game aside, they've put away the teams they are supposed to beat in the first half. Philly also got two of their best three passing performances of the year when they went to Kevin Kolb.

I gotta disagree with you about McNabb playing worse then JC.

McNabb i think has grown very averse to pressure in his face more so then in the past, he wants the ball out of his hands so quickly that he bunny hops a few throws a game.

From watching the past 2 Eagles, I got the feeling like McNabb is testing out his new weapons on offense. McNabb especially againt us seemed to be looking vertical really looking for the big chunk plays.
(Eli was doing the same thing although less successful making some bad reads/choice and was off target.)
I kinda wish that JC would adopt some of this mentality, but its gonna be hard with this OL and the receivers are gonna have to make plays and the Sherman Lewis is gonna have to open it up.