Do you think Rivera will successfully rebuild ?

[REDSKINS4ever]

85 wins and 78 losses is what he is.....he's an average head coach at best.....he could very well end up with more career losses than wins if his losing ways continue......
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...es/RiveRo0.htm

[irish]

Ron was light years better than anything this organization could have hoped for. Like MTK said in a previous post, WFT has tried every form of coach so I don't see what firing RR will solve. They aren't getting anyone better.

While RR is an average coach at best, what I do think he has that no coach since Gibbs 2 has is gravitas. He's a seasoned coach who's respected throughout the NFL and on some level Snyder respects that. Gruden had none of that and Snyder didn't respect him. Bringing in another up and coming coach will only be a repeat of Gruden. WFT may as well let Rivera run his course.

[rocnrik]

If RR is let go ( I don’t believe he will or should) WHO would man this sinking ship ? Maybe a lifetime assistance coach on a bad team, Jason Garrett types may take it but who wants someone like that . With a top QB Ron has a Super Bowl under his belt , we need a top QB first then maybe a coach can succeed..

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by irish

Ron was light years better than anything this organization could have hoped for. Like MTK said in a previous post, WFT has tried every form of coach so I don't see what firing RR will solve. They aren't getting anyone better.

While RR is an average coach at best, what I do think he has that no coach since Gibbs 2 has is gravitas. He's a seasoned coach who's respected throughout the NFL and on some level Snyder respects that. Gruden had none of that and Snyder didn't respect him. Bringing in another up and coming coach will only be a repeat of Gruden. WFT may as well let Rivera run his course.

Agreed. Wanting to replace RR after 1.5 season is how we go into this mess in the first place. Id like to give RR at least til the end of next year, no matter how bad it gets.

Even if you want RR gone now .... dont you think hes owed the opportunity to see how he and the team responds to this second half? Give him a chance to right the ship a bit, improve on some things.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by oldfan

I posted about Rivera being a stop gap coach. (Political hire, if you will.) I truly believe that. I don't have any idea who his replacement will be but either this year of next, he will be gone. I may not have much background in football but I have an immense background in business.

Snyder needed creditability. Rivera is well thought is around the NFL and gave Snyder that semblance of creditability. The real issues that had to be addressed were those in the management levels. Hiring Rivera created the perception that he was trying to turn the culture and team around. Note how the NFL and fans accepted that perception. Snyder was facing immense pressure from bad press, lawsuits and revelation's of misconduct. There were even media stories that suggested that the NFL was in the process of forcing Snyder to sell the team. (Yes the NFL can do that.) Snyder may be a lousy team owner but he is a smart businessman. Hiring Rivera was a business move, pure and simple.

I have been a Redskins fan (yes, Redskins) since 1945. Nothing is going to change that. I will still be rooting for the team when they play.

Every move is technically a business decision. I agree that Ron brings credibility, but he wasn't exactly a total slouch of a coach either. We are talking about a guy with a winning record, multiple division titles and a SB appearance. He was brought in to change the culture in the building and also to win. Those things go hand in hand.

You can't bring in a guy to undertake a culture change as serious as this one but also think of him as a stop gap. That doesn't make any sense. Nobody was going to come in here and turn things around on a dime. It's a 3-5 year project. Dan has to give him a legit opportunity to right the ship otherwise we're back to square one. Gruden had almost 6 seasons here, why wouldn't Ron get a similar opportunity?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Exactly, its a impossible job.

It be interesting if you could reverse time and have Tomlin as our coach, I bet if he started in our organization over Pitt he been done gone out of football.

This place is losers row.

It is not an impossible job if we can land a QB. Then the job becomes much easier. That needs to be the entire focus this offseason.

[skinsfan69]

You can not fire Ron this offseason. That would be dumb af.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You can not fire Ron this offseason. That would be dumb af.

It’s not even remotely an option.

[irish]

Originally Posted by MTK

Every move is technically a business decision. I agree that Ron brings credibility, but he wasn't exactly a total slouch of a coach either. We are talking about a guy with a winning record, multiple division titles and a SB appearance. He was brought in to change the culture in the building and also to win. Those things go hand in hand.

You can't bring in a guy to undertake a culture change as serious as this one but also think of him as a stop gap. That doesn't make any sense. Nobody was going to come in here and turn things around on a dime. It's a 3-5 year project. Dan has to give him a legit opportunity to right the ship otherwise we're back to square one. Gruden had almost 6 seasons here, why wouldn't Ron get a similar opportunity?

Changing an organization that has been a complete disaster for 20+ years in only 3-5 years would be turning it around on a dime. If Gruden got 6 years RR should also get that.

I think a big part of Ron's problem is that he's not used to the tough media climate in the DMV. IMO the media is Charlotte was much more deferential to Ron than the media here in DC and Ron doesn't like and isn't used to being questioned as thoroughly and harshly as he is by the DC media.

[MTK]

I'm not saying he can turn it all around in 3-5 years, just saying he needs at least that amount of time to show some progress.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'm not saying he can turn it all around in 3-5 years, just saying he needs at least that amount of time to show some progress.

It's such a dumb discussion. Fire Ron and your options are guys like Jim Haslett, Jim Caldwell, Jeff Fisher, etc. because no respectable coach is going to want to come here and neither is the next up-and-coming coordinator.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

It's such a dumb discussion. Fire Ron and your options are guys like Jim Haslett, Jim Caldwell, Jeff Fisher, etc. because no respectable coach is going to want to come here and neither is the next up-and-coming coordinator.

Completely agree. We have to stick with him at the very least one more season, and unless next season is an absolute disaster too, I'd say give him one more season after that.

This being said. I don't want to hear Ron talk about Chase and Montez getting chipped more than the other guys anymore... Last week he went into a super long explanation about how he had somebody "analyticly look at" their 3rd and long, they discovered this team had a higher chip percentage on 3rd and 7+ ... and then how they were seeing more play action than other defenses... And again this week, he was more critical of Chase, but he mentioned this chip percentage stats again...

This is such a looser quote. Your defense is failing because the other teams are mean and chip your edge rushers and call some play action ?! OMG this is so unfair let's make a complaint to the league !

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

Every move is technically a business decision. I agree that Ron brings credibility, but he wasn't exactly a total slouch of a coach either. We are talking about a guy with a winning record, multiple division titles and a SB appearance. He was brought in to change the culture in the building and also to win. Those things go hand in hand.

You can't bring in a guy to undertake a culture change as serious as this one but also think of him as a stop gap. That doesn't make any sense. Nobody was going to come in here and turn things around on a dime. It's a 3-5 year project. Dan has to give him a legit opportunity to right the ship otherwise we're back to square one. Gruden had almost 6 seasons here, why wouldn't Ron get a similar opportunity?

Add to that three consecutive division titles, three playoff wins, two-time NFL Coach of the Year...

From day one, this was going to be about a three year project. That much was communicated when RR took the job. Any conversation about him being gone after this year is ridiculous, and the notion that he just isn't a good coach is equally ridiculous in my opinion.

It's funny how impatient this fan base is considering how long it's been since the team has been relevant for more than a minute.

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Completely agree. We have to stick with him at the very least one more season, and unless next season is an absolute disaster too, I'd say give him one more season after that.

This being said. I don't want to hear Ron talk about Chase and Montez getting chipped more than the other guys anymore... Last week he went into a super long explanation about how he had somebody "analyticly look at" their 3rd and long, they discovered this team had a higher chip percentage on 3rd and 7+ ... and then how they were seeing more play action than other defenses... And again this week, he was more critical of Chase, but he mentioned this chip percentage stats again...

This is such a looser quote. Your defense is failing because the other teams are mean and chip your edge rushers and call some play action ?! OMG this is so unfair let's make a complaint to the league !

They chip our edge rushers because it works. simple offensive game planning. The weakness in our defense is a open book to the rest of the league. Play action stupefies our secondary.

Has anyone on here actually suggested firing Ron? I get impatience, some of the decisions being made this year are perplexing to say the least, and there is not a lot of progress being shown but you have to give the guy some time. He has a large number of losing seasons because he has been asked to turnaround two losing franchises.

[irish]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'm not saying he can turn it all around in 3-5 years, just saying he needs at least that amount of time to show some progress.

Agree.