The Bad Coaching, Offense, and Defense Post-Game Thread

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I am starting to bail on Ron and here is why. They sign Jackson and he is a press man corner. That is what he does. He said that himself. They're asking him to play zone which he obviously can not do very well. Who's fault is that? Then this thing w/ Collins who can not run and should not be the last line of defense. He is slow and can not run and we saw he can't jump. Stop putting him in shitty positions.

We have seen the zone defense not work so stop doing it. Yet every week we see this shit. We see the same guys blowing coverages. Sit them. To me Ron is stubborn and not willing to adjust things. He can not adjust on the fly at all.

Just like the QB situation, instead of drafting a QB this yr or last yr he ignores it and bring in Fitzmagic to be the guy... Dude is a 38 YO backup for a reason. Yeah hes fun to watch at times and I was hoping he'd work put but it didn't. Now you are back to square one , Heineke is a solid QB2 that's it

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I am starting to bail on Ron and here is why. They sign Jackson and he is a press man corner. That is what he does. He said that himself. They're asking him to play zone which he obviously can not do very well. Who's fault is that? Then this thing w/ Collins who can not run and should not be the last line of defense. He is slow and can not run and we saw he can't jump. Stop putting him in shitty positions.

We have seen the zone defense not work so stop doing it. Yet every week we see this shit. We see the same guys blowing coverages. Sit them. To me Ron is stubborn and not willing to adjust things. He can not adjust on the fly at all.

My thoughts exactly, why is he ever anymore than 10 yards form the LOS, the other team can see him and know he cannot cover in space yet the team keep asking him to take deep cover responsibility.

[skinsfaninok]

If this team goes 5-12 do u fire Ron? I think u really have to consider it.

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If this team goes 5-12 do u fire Ron? I think u really have to consider it.

After 2 years of a rebuild probably not, or we are back to the "dysfunctional franchise can't hire a recognized coach" roundabout for another 10 years. But the arrow should at least be pointing slightly upwards after year 2, not nose diving.

You might be justified in pressuring him into a DC change, but then we have been on that carousel for the last 8 years anyway and it hasn't worked either. And who would want to come here if they are going to be fired after 2 years, that was a major problem Gruden had in the end and so we were left with Manusky.

[SunnySide]

Interested in the snap counts. Odd stats. Odd game.

Winston went 15/30 but was averaging 9.8 yds and 4 tds 1 int

McLaurin targeted 11 times, 4 catches, 46 yds

McKissic only had 3 touches

Allen and Matty I had 3 QB hits each

Gibson was fed the ball, 20 carries for 60 yds

33 runs, 41 drop backs

Heinike was 20/41, 6 yds avg

Saints 4/11 on 3rd down

Skins 5/16 on 3rd down

TOP favored us 36 to 23

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I wanted Del Rio to play less LBs and more safeties in passing plays. Did it work? Winston was 15/30 so that looks good but he missed open guys and hit on some big chunk plays.

Lots of our runs started with the runner momentum going parallel to the LOS and not north-south hitting the hole/line hard.

We needed to win the winnable games on our schedule to try and tread water until the last 5 division games.

We need to steal one from Chiefs Packs or Bucs now.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Just like the QB situation, instead of drafting a QB this yr or last yr he ignores it and bring in Fitzmagic to be the guy... Dude is a 38 YO backup for a reason. Yeah hes fun to watch at times and I was hoping he'd work put but it didn't. Now you are back to square one , Heineke is a solid QB2 that's it

They have totally mismanaged the QB position.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

They have totally mismanaged the QB position.

They tried for Stafford and missed.

Fitz was about the only reasonable option out there as a 1 year vet placeholder. Someone who could possibly open up the playbook a bit more, give us a bottom end but legit starting QB.

Fitz gets injured and its trying to scrap together a game plan with flawed non-legit starter Qb talent.

Skins have mismanaged the QB position for decades but looking at just this offseason and the options available to them .. Fitz was the best of a bunch of less than desirable options.

[skinsfan69]

Lattimore followed McLaurin all day long man to man from what I saw. He wasn't playing that stupid ass zone shit. McLaurin had 4 catches for 46.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

They tried for Stafford and missed.

Fitz was about the only reasonable option out there as a 1 year vet placeholder. Someone who could possibly open up the playbook a bit more, give us a bottom end but legit starting QB.

Fitz gets injured and its trying to scrap together a game plan with flawed non-legit starter Qb talent.

Skins have mismanaged the QB position for decades but looking at just this offseason and the options available to them .. Fitz was the best of a bunch of less than desirable options.

True but IMO you draft a QB every single year. That is what Bobby B did most of the time cause it is the most important position on the field. I don't care who you have you have to draft guys and put them in your system. Right now you have Wilson who is a 3rd rounder and then you have Cousins and Prescott as 4th rounders as starters. Not every one of them is a first rounder picked in the top 10.

[skinsfaninok]

a couple balls were behind Terry, he is probably dying for a legit passer

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

True but IMO you draft a QB every single year. That is what Bobby B did most of the time cause it is the most important position on the field. I don't care who you have you have to draft guys and put them in your system. Right now you have Wilson who is a 3rd rounder and then you have Cousins and Prescott as 4th rounders as starters. Not every one of them is a first rounder picked in the top 10.

Yep I agree 100%, if you don't have a QB you need to draft one until u do

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

a couple balls were behind Terry, he is probably dying for a legit passer

I think this is the first game where I could visibly see the frustration on Terry's face, and it had everything to do with the ball not being placed properly - over and over.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think this is the first game where I could visibly see the frustration on Terry's face, and it had everything to do with the ball not being placed properly - over and over.

yeah i noticed that too.. Heineke was straight ass yesterday

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If this team goes 5-12 do u fire Ron? I think u really have to consider it.

Then everyone will be saying the same thing about Danny, he’s impatient an asshole. NO, Danny stuck with him at least another year, one thing I would see is a major trade of our DL.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I will admit Heineken is probably not the guy when you admit Rivera probably isn’t either. Lol

I'm starting to buy in Punch.

The same mistakes over and over, week in week out - through five weeks, with no apparent accountability... It's either the coaching, or this roster is light years worse than everyone thought. I actually fear it might be both.

The eternal optimist in me has no more answers. I don't think this team can win with this defense AND Heinicke as the QB. The two are a bad combination. I need to see some real changes soon, or I'll have to start making tee times for Sundays.