Skins getting heat again over name issue

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The team will change the name, it's only a matter of time. Dan will get pressured into it. Honestly go with Warriors, HTTW and can still do braves on the warpath.

I don't know why you think that. It's really easy to not give a F what people think. You simply hold up the survey that says the majority of Native Americans don't find the team name offensive. Until that changes your stance is iron-clad. Hold that survey up like double birds in the air.

[sdskinsfan2001]

The only name change I'll remotely accept is to change the name to a specific tribe name, with their approval. And the tribe can help design the logo. It won't be a human depiction. It would be something historic the tribe used or an animal that represents something positive/honorable to them.

If that's not good enough for all the people whining about changing the name, then fuck them, keep the Redskins.

We should be finding positive ways to keep Native Americans represented in our country and it's part of the team history that I don't want to lose.

It would also be a way to partner with that tribe to set up a foundation that donates a certain % of profits to Native American causes. Or part of the sales proceeds from certain items. There are many food options on that front.

[SunnySide]

I think we need to be careful unequivocally hanging our hat on the WaPo survey as it poled people who "self identify" as NA. As in checked a box.

Seems lots of people have been "self identifying" since 2000 via the US Census Bureau.
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Between 2000 and 2018, the number of American residents who were at least partially Native American increased 39%, according to the US Census Bureau.

The estimated 5.7 million Americans in 2018 – 1.6 million more than 2000 – identifying with “American Indian or Alaska Native” racial backgrounds represent less than 2% of the total national population. That share was double the Native American group’s share in 2000.

It’s unclear if that increase is entirely due to population growth or because more people are identifying as Native American racially.
https://usafacts.org/articles/native...t-has-changed/

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According to a recent Pew Research Center study, 50 percent of people surveyed who claim a mixed heritage say their grandparents or parents are of non-Hispanic White and American Indian heritage.

“*This is higher than what the U.S. Census data show,” says D’Vera Cohn, a senior writer and editor for the Pew Research Center. “*The difference being that the census asks people to self-identify their own race, while our survey asked people to give the race of their parents and/or grandparents.”

Twenty-one percent of multiracial adults checked the non-Hispanic White/American Indian combination in the 2013 U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey.

*The difference may seem like comparing apples to apples, but while 50 percent of the people identified their parents or grandparents of being of Native American heritage, they didn’t identify themselves as being “multi-racial.” Only 25 percent of these same adults surveyed consider themselves multiracial.

In addition, 12 percent identify themselves as non-Hispanic Black and American Indian, while another 6 percent identify as non-Hispanic White, Black and American Indian. Another 11 percent identify as multiracial Hispanic.

“That big difference is that we’re a political group,” she notes. “To legally state that you’re an American Indian, you must prove that you are and we do that through tribal enrollment.”

Proudfit acknowledges that there are problems in centuries-old recordkeeping and familial folklore that could have been embellished throughout the years.

“I think there are a few things going on with people who identify themselves as American Indian,” she says. “These surveys and studies include people who are taking word from family folklore and there are some people who just identify with this imagination of a hero Indian or Pocahontas princess. I think the more people who are Native the better, but we don’t want to see ethnic fraud, either.”

In fact, the Pew Research study also revealed that, while 50 percent of those surveyed identi*fied as having mixed heritage, only 22 percent say they have a lot in common with American Indians and only 19 percent say they have had a lot of contact with their relatives who are American Indian.

Most—82 percent—said their American Indian heritage has made no difference in their lives, which may lead to the conclusion that the people who claim American Indian heritage haven’t and don’t intend on trying to use it to gain any benefits.

“Most of the people in the survey said they don’t feel accepted by American Indians,” says Cohn. “I think this identi*fication is the result of two things. One of them is that the U.S. Census changed in 2000, allowing people to check more than one race. Another is that people simply want to honor the heritage people were told in their family stories.”

https://diverseeducation.com/article/79507/

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Going 'Native': Why Are Americans Hijacking Cherokee Identity?
By Cecily Hilleary
July 23, 2018 02:40 PM
A non-Native person wearing a Native American war bonnet as a "fashion accessory" is commonly cited as an example of cultural appropriation.
A non-Native person wearing a Native American war bonnet as a "fashion accessory" is commonly cited as an example of cultural appropriation.

WASHINGTON - Bring up the subject of Native Americans to any group of Americans, and at least one person will claim to have a Cherokee ancestor, pointing to high cheekbones or straight dark hair as evidence. Chances are, there’s not a single Indian in his or her family tree.

Dubbed the “Cherokee Syndrome,” it is a growing trend in America: More than 819,000 Americans self-identified as Cherokee on the 2010 federal census, alone or mixed-race. By comparison, the combined population of the three federally recognized Cherokee tribes — the Cherokee Nation and United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee in Oklahoma, and the Eastern Band of Cherokee in North Carolina — amounts to fewer than 400,000.

Some of those checking the “American Indian” box on census forms may indeed have Cherokee ancestors, but a significant number do not. Even so, they are “going Native” in increasing numbers. Furthermore, they are connecting with one another on social media to form groups.

https://www.voanews.com/usa/going-na...rokee-identity

[SunnySide]

Give me a legit survey from people who are legit NA. Not people who have been told that her great grandmother was half NA. My ex is convinced she is part NA because of family lore about "big mama" plus her hair dresser said she has NA like hair.

I am sure she checked NA as one the boxes she checked. Based on family folklore and a picture.

She doesnt know anything about NA, is a redskins fan ... and it seems would qualify for the Wash Po poll.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't know why you think that. It's really easy to not give a F what people think. You simply hold up the survey that says the majority of Native Americans don't find the team name offensive. Until that changes your stance is iron-clad. Hold that survey up like double birds in the air.

I remember at the '91 SB there was a small group of protesters there... so the idea that the name is going to change in time without immense political and social pressure is just crazy. Right now it's just silly woke white people like Florio or Peter King and it's very easy to write them off as crazy liberals.

[irish]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

The only name change I'll remotely accept is to change the name to a specific tribe name, with their approval. And the tribe can help design the logo. It won't be a human depiction. It would be something historic the tribe used or an animal that represents something positive/honorable to them.

If that's not good enough for all the people whining about changing the name, then fuck them, keep the Redskins.

We should be finding positive ways to keep Native Americans represented in our country and it's part of the team history that I don't want to lose.

It would also be a way to partner with that tribe to set up a foundation that donates a certain % of profits to Native American causes. Or part of the sales proceeds from certain items. There are many food options on that front.

When the name changes there is a zero percent chance it will have anything to do with Native Americans specifically or in general. Its just not going to happen.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

When the name changes there is a zero percent chance it will have anything to do with Native Americans specifically or in general. Its just not going to happen.

Agreed. It's all or nothing.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by irish

When the name changes there is a zero percent chance it will have anything to do with Native Americans specifically or in general. Its just not going to happen.

Then I guess I'll just hate the team name then. That'll be awesome.

I guess the woke people just want Native Americans to be known as the people that own lots of casinos. No references of any kind allowed. Are we going to be offended for them until they're erased from any national relevance? I don't get the end game.

[MTK]

There are plenty of ways to honor and remember people without having them as team mascots or on a bottle of maple syrup.

[irish]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Then I guess I'll just hate the team name then. That'll be awesome.

I guess the woke people just want Native Americans to be known as the people that own lots of casinos. No references of any kind allowed. Are we going to be offended for them until they're erased from any national relevance? I don't get the end game.

I'm not for or against changing the name, I really don't care what they are called. As I have said, keep the logo and colors, drop the name and just call them Washington. Or use the spear logo minus the feather and call them the Lancers. Whatever, it doesn't matter they are still the same team.

I don't think anyone at a Redskins game sings HTTR thinking they want to offend Native Americans. On the other hand I doubt anyone would go up to a Native American and say "Hello Redskin" anymore than they'd say "Hello (insert racial slur)" to an African American or Hispanic. Times change, attitudes change, and for better or worse Washington's football team's name is going to change.

[irish]

Originally Posted by MTK

There are plenty of ways to honor and remember people without having them as team mascots or on a bottle of maple syrup.

Exactly.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

There are plenty of ways to honor and remember people without having them as team mascots or on a bottle of maple syrup.

In general, yes there is, but I don't think there is a better way for a professional sports team to do so.

And Redskins is not the mascot, it's the name of the team. We don't have a guy in a Native American costume jumping around on the sideline. That would be a mascot.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

In general, yes there is, but I don't think there is a better way for a professional sports team to do so.

And Redskins is not the mascot, it's the name of the team. We don't have a guy in a Native American costume jumping around on the sideline. That would be a mascot.

Why does a professional team need to honor anybody in the first place?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

Why does a professional team need to honor anybody in the first place?

They don't. But we have a history of being related to Native Americans. And I would like to keep it. Way more cool than being named after let's say, a really tall person.

[Burgold]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

We should take down ALL historical statues and replace them with unicorn, ice cream cone, and tooth fairy statues.

We can all never have our feelings hurt again and live in fantasy land.

We definitely need to change our team name. I'm thinking Washington Willows is nice and peaceful. Plop a tree on that helmet and call it a uniform.

Haaaaaaaaaaa...for some strange reason,I like that!!!