Gays in the NFL. How Do You Really Feel?

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'll never understand the hang up some people have over what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. Such a waste of time.

Pfffttttt.....you think its really that simple?
gimmeabreak

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 44ever

No, it is you who are brainwashed. strait is not advertised, it's normal way of life. But like I said, times are changing, and dont involve race in this because its completely a seperate issue. Im a man and I love black women and Im white, nothing wrong with that. Now If I loved Black men, there would be a big difference...

"it's normal way of life"?? It is the most common and, thus, prevalent in advertising, pop culture, literature and other media. Just because something is uncommon, does not mean it isn't "normal". You and a substantial number of individuals consider it abnormal for any number of a myriad of reasons. Personally, I find nothing abnormal about homosexual relationships.

Further, from basic human physiology, there is nothing abnormal about it. Some folks are vegitarians, some aren't. Each satisfies a particular physiological appetite (hunger) differently. Neither is "abnormal". Most guys satisfy their physiological appetite for sex with women, some with men and some with either.

I also have never been uncomfortable around gay men in the locker room. The concept that guys are checking you out to me has always been a big "so what". I did theater in both college and later in community theater settings. Back in the day (and I assume it is true still), the gay/straight ratio was practically the reverse of the rest of society. It was pretty much the assumption, "oh, your a guy in theater you must be gay." Just like in the straight population - the vast majority of the guys were cool if you made it clear you didn't play on their team. Of course, some were real jerks. It never bothered me as long as they didn't cross the line. Ultimately, however, a douche is a douche is a douche whether they are hitting on men or women.

I get, but shake my head at, people uncomfortable around gays in a locker room.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Pfffttttt.....you think its really that simple?
gimmeabreak

Yeah at the end of the day it really is that simple.

What's so complicated about it?

Live and let live. Worry more about yourself and less about what everyone else is doing.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'll never understand the hang up some people have over what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. Such a waste of time.

I really don't think this thread is about that. Its more about gay men in a locker room with other men. I personally can see how another male might not like sharing a bathroom and showers with a gay male. If its right or wrong I can understand. Not sure why that is so hard for other people to see. Its one thing to allow gays a normal life style but when your asking other men to share personal space you then need to also take their feeling into consideration. What the player said was not that bad but how he said it was not very good.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'll never understand the hang up some people have over what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. Such a waste of time.

Well, to play devil's advocate, the issue isn't what they are doing in the bedroom, but, rather, what they might be doing and <gasp> thinking in the locker room.

Hey 44, they want you man ... they really, really want you. Desparetely.

Seriously, if a gay wants to check you out, he doesn't need a locker room to do it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, to play devil's advocate, the issue isn't what they are doing in the bedroom, but, rather, what they might be doing and <gasp> thinking in the locker room.

Hey 44, they want you man ... they really, really want you. Desparetely.

Seriously, if a gay wants to check you out, he doesn't need a locker room to do it.

It comes down to homophobia and insecurity, simple as that.

As a straight guy if I was in a locker room and a gay guy caught a shot of my ween, why the F would I care if I'm totally secure with myself and have zero interest in that? Homophobes I'm tellin' ya.

[30gut]

If you played teams sports odds are you've already played with a 'gay'.
If the military can adapt then football will.

[RedskinRat]

I effing *hate* the offseason, Ver. 3,501 and counting.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I really don't think this thread is about that. Its more about gay men in a locker room with other men. I personally can see how another male might not like sharing a bathroom and showers with a gay male. If its right or wrong I can understand. Not sure why that is so hard for other people to see. Its one thing to allow gays a normal life style but when your asking other men to share personal space you then need to also take their feeling into consideration. What the player said was not that bad but how he said it was not very good.

I think it's a bigger issue than a guy not wanting to shower or be nude near a gay guy. Some people still cannot accept homosexuality, period.

[Evilgrin]

Lockerroom/shower thing is kinda silly for any of us that go to a gym.

Anyways, why isn't Jerry Smith in the HoF?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

If you played teams sports odds are you've already played with a 'gay'.
If the military can adapt then football will.

This.

Gay folks are already in the locker room, so the question isn't whether or not they can be there. The question is whether they can come out or whether they must be secretive. And that shouldn't be a difficult question.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Lockerroom/shower thing is kinda silly for any of us that go to a gym.

Anyways, why isn't Jerry Smith in the HoF?

B/c he was caught staring at Goodell's junk in the shower.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I effing *hate* the offseason, Ver. 3,501 and counting.

... still think hell doesn't exist?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by hooskins

This isnt much different than race imo. 5 to 10 percent of the population is estimated to be gay just like X percent of the population is Y race. Keep your personal views to yourself since this country (thankfully) prevents employment discrimination.

And I love how homophobics think every gay person is going to want to sleep with them or is somehow aroused. So stupid.

Also gay vs straight isnt as black and white as society makes it to be. Its better viewed as a spectrum. Or even in a Cartesian plane with bi sexuality vs non bi sexuality (dont recall the specific term) as the other axis. Actually would be even better if we add a third axis/dimension for asexual vs sexual. Everyone has a point (x, y, z) on that 3d chart. That would be the best way to look at it.

homophobic is a term i've never understood. i dont think many people are actually "afraid" of gay people. some people have religious beliefs which teach homosexuality is a sin. Some people have a hatred for homosexuals. some people are outspoken of this hatred and act on it in deplorable ways, including using violence. but few people are actually "afraid" of gay people. If there are people who are generally afraid of gay people, then "homophobic" would apply to them, but its one of those words that bothers me because its broadly misused. that said, in the sense you used it, you were referring to people to whom the term would apply. Just wanted to throw that out there.

regarding the NFL, i expressed this in the Te'o thread, but i would be afraid for an openly gay player in the NFL. His teammates could discriminate against him. If oppenents knew it, they'd almost certainly use that on the field to trash talk the player, no doubt using alot of gay slurs. I think that would be grounds for an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, which would detract from the game.

Ultimately, I'd prefer not to know anything about a player's sex life and watch them play football.

[skinsfaninok]

Dude is looking like a fool now saying "that's not in my heart " and " I'm sorry I didn't mean it " lol whatever dude be a man and admit what u said was how u feel