Grade the Redskins Moves So Far

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

Unless Garcon said,"I'd prefer to blaze my own trail." In which case he would be free to blaze his own trail. You don't think RG3/Luck factored into Garcon's decision? Also, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Morgan a free agent? If that's the case that would hardly qualify as being cut.

Thanks for the correction on Morgan...he wasn't retained by his former team. Definitely think RGIII factored into the decision and even remember reading it somewhere. Also read a Garcon quote that made it plain Manning didn't extend an invite or anything of the sort. Maybe I'm reading to much into it...but knowing how important chemistry between QB/WR is I tend to think Manning would have liked continuity in his supporting cast.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

it needs to be a balanced, planned approached with both production and potential in mind.

I think if your hung up on a 2 year contract with a young WR who has shown flashes in a fairly poor offensive scheme before last year, you really shouldnt be. Seasons with 40+ and 50+ catches is not nothing and the contract is pays him not to be a no. one, but a underneath possesion scheme compliment who could become more. Tripp stated the guy who I see, is a younger Gaffney. I dont have a problem with that.

Not hung up on it. It's just not a smart signing. We should be able to get that same production from someone that's currently on the team.... Hankerson or Paul to go along with Gaffney and Moss....then take the money that was given to Morgan and sign an o-linemen.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

Pretty much all our big name signings since Snyder arrived? Some have actually panned out (like Fletch) but for the most part they haven't. And most of them were signed because the name they made for themselves in other places.

Well as people know around here I'm not a fan of free agency at all and you just said the reason why. Most of the time it doesn't work. Garcon I can somewhat understand. Morgan I just don't.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe a better way to say it is don't overpay for potential in free-agency. We (knowingly) used much of our cap space to sign an inconsistent performer in Garcon. IMO that qualifies as overpaying pretty much no matter what. The Morgan signing is even more perplexing given he was cut by a SB contender team that needs more production from WRs. So SanFran doesn't see him as a starter, and he's coming off injury. Back to Garcon, it's significant P Manning didn't lobby Garcon to wait in FA and sign the same place. Obviously if Manning said to Garcon "you're coming w/ me" and said to Denver "he's coming w/ me" it would have happened that way.

Exactly.

[T.O.Killa]

I cant believe 31% think it is an odrinary offseason. My god man, we trade three ones, and a second to move up 4 spaces to pick Griffin. Thats the most I have ever seen given up for one player. I am happy about it, but ordinary?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I cant believe 31% think it is an odrinary offseason. My god man, we trade three ones, and a second to move up 4 spaces to pick Griffin. Thats the most I have ever seen given up for one player. I am happy about it, but ordinary?

Yeah I don't get it either. We could have found a once in a lifetime kind of QB that could bring this franchise back to a level of respectability we haven't seen in 20 years. If that's not enough to get you excited I give up.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Maybe a better way to say it is don't overpay for potential in free-agency. We (knowingly) used much of our cap space to sign an inconsistent performer in Garcon. IMO that qualifies as overpaying pretty much no matter what. The Morgan signing is even more perplexing given he was cut by a SB contender team that needs more production from WRs. So SanFran doesn't see him as a starter, and he's coming off injury. Back to Garcon, it's significant P Manning didn't lobby Garcon to wait in FA and sign the same place. Obviously if Manning said to Garcon "you're coming w/ me" and said to Denver "he's coming w/ me" it would have happened that way.

I don't see any significance in it myself. I think your theory is a stretch.

I don't know how realistic that would have been, or how fair that would have been for PM to ask that of Garcon. When free agency opened PM didn't even know where he was going yet. So to ask a guy, hey wait a few weeks for me to sign, pass up some big time coin along the way, and possibly have to take a discount to come play with me in the city of my choosing? Doesn't fly if you ask me. Hell even Wayne didn't follow him, does that mean PM doesn't like him too?

[los panda]

i'll wait for madden ratings to come out before i jump the gun

[Kindoy]

Jabar Gaffney on Twitter right now: F

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah I don't get it either. We could have found a once in a lifetime kind of QB that could bring this franchise back to a level of respectability we haven't seen in 20 years. If that's not enough to get you excited I give up.

I think 99% of the Redskin fans are excited about RG3. It's just a lot to give up for one guy. But I'm not so much concerned about him and his ability. That's not in question. I'm more concerned about the organization that he's coming to.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think 99% of the Redskin fans are excited about RG3. It's just a lot to give up for one guy. But I'm not so much concerned about him and his ability. That's not in question. I'm more concerned about the organization that he's coming to.

Can you elaborate on that? The on field product (roster around him) or the organization and its structure (Shanahans, Allen and Snyder)?

[VegasSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Thanks for the correction on Morgan...he wasn't retained by his former team. Definitely think RGIII factored into the decision and even remember reading it somewhere. Also read a Garcon quote that made it plain Manning didn't extend an invite or anything of the sort. Maybe I'm reading to much into it...but knowing how important chemistry between QB/WR is I tend to think Manning would have liked continuity in his supporting cast.

One thing I like to do is read opinions about players from fans of the team that lost him. The vast majority of the posts on SF forums were sad to see him go. For a young player that's a very positive sign. To flip it, think of what jet fans see with what a lot of people have to say about Landry.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Kindoy

Jabar Gaffney on Twitter right now: F

For those wondering

Jabar Gaffney Has A Twitter Meltdown - Half Smokes - SB Nation DC

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by VegasSkinsFan

One thing I like to do is read opinions about players from fans of the team that lost him. The vast majority of the posts on SF forums were sad to see him go. For a young player that's a very positive sign. To flip it, think of what jet fans see with what a lot of people have to say about Landry.

Honestly I haven't been on a Niners board, but one of my guys in the office is a longtime fan and doesn't think Morgan is a legit starter. He's supposedly not fast enough to outrun CBs and safeties. He sounds like a lesser version of Gaffney but doesn't know the system.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

For those wondering

Jabar Gaffney Has A Twitter Meltdown - Half Smokes - SB Nation DC

Wow, that's pretty bizarre.