Is it finally time to rebuild??

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

We've had 1 offseason w/Allen & Shan, do you think they "overpaid" anybody? They didn't sign AH, that was on Vinny's watch. They just brought in reasonable contracts this year & a no. of undrafted players or guys recently cut by other teams, e.g. Torain, Armstrong, Lichtensteiger.

While I expect that we'll be busy in free agency due to the needs of the team & the no. of good players availalbe, I expect Allen to keep the signing bonuses in check, that's what he's known for. For the really good free agents I expect deals like McNabb's; potential big $ but an easy out for the team if it doesn't go well.

well they over paid in the form of draft picks for both mcnabb and brown.... and they bought in bums like galloway, larry johnson, roydell williams, a scrub nose tackle, carriker, hicks and licktenstiger (sp). so as far as i'm concerned shanahan and allen have done a terrible job and right now i have no faith in either of them.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

Yeah,.the rebuilding process started when Vinny was canned and Allen was brought in. I don't know why so many people won't admit it.

I knew this would be a transition/rebuliding year, with more success in year #2.


Of course, I had blindly optimistic hopes for the team...I always do as a true fan...but there was a LOT to fix with a 4-12 team with no offensive line whatsoever...more than could be fixed in a single year.

We've made a lot more progress than our record shows. I'm a bit worried about the defensive scheme, but individuals have played well on defense. The 4-3 to 3-4 move is rarely smooth.

I disagree cause if they truly thought that then why give philly two picks for mcnabb? and two more picks for brown? they wanted to win now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

well they over paid in the form of draft picks for both mcnabb and brown.... and they bought in bums like galloway, larry johnson, roydell williams, a scrub nose tackle, carriker, hicks and licktenstiger (sp). so as far as i'm concerned shanahan and allen have done a terrible job and right now i have no faith in either of them.

We gave up one pick for Brown and a pick, not multiple picks for Brown. Give him one more offseason to get fully healthy. Guys like Galliway, LJ, and Roydell were short term relatively cheap solutions while the Torains, Austins, and Kellys of the team develop/get healthy. Carriker is quietly solid, but will probably never be someone who gets respect from fans. He's young though and cost us almost nothing to acquire. kory l is also quite young and cost basically nothing to acquire

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

well they over paid in the form of draft picks for both mcnabb and brown.... and they bought in bums like galloway, larry johnson, roydell williams, a scrub nose tackle, carriker, hicks and licktenstiger (sp). so as far as i'm concerned shanahan and allen have done a terrible job and right now i have no faith in either of them.

Carriker has actually been a nice find. Maybe not dominant but such is the nature of being a 3-4 DE not named Seymour or Smith. Kory L also has been pretty decent and should be a solid starter for the next few years.

I don't think people realize this but building an O-Line is a constant process and in order to feed that process you can't afford to use 1st and 2nd round picks every year to fuel it otherwise you're doing a huge disservice to the rest of your team.

The best lines usually have at most two first day draft picks and then supplement the rest of the line with late round draft picks and free agents. Our inability to find those late round role players has been our Achilles heel, in part because we haven't even tried to draft anyone to begin with.

The only real priority on the line these days is center. Rabach has to go. Why he hasn't been benched is beyond me but his inability to stop himself from getting pushed back has become a huge liability. Look at this key play against the Bucs. Want to know why Torrain had to go east-west instead of north south. Because Rabach was literally pushed into him.


So many of Shanahan's best lineman have been late round picks. Late being 4th round and better. We need to realize that fixing the line isn't going to come from binging in the first and second round on offensive lineman but rather identifying talent later in the draft and creating depth all around. Hopefully we've already started with Cook and Capers.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We gave up one pick for Brown and a pick, not multiple picks for Brown. Give him one more offseason to get fully healthy. Guys like Galliway, LJ, and Roydell were short term relatively cheap solutions while the Torains, Austins, and Kellys of the team develop/get healthy. Carriker is quietly solid, but will probably never be someone who gets respect from fans. He's young though and cost us almost nothing to acquire. kory l is also quite young and cost basically nothing to acquire

SIR, your.....logic based rebuttal and debate founded in fact have NO place here!

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

The only real priority on the line these days is center. Rabach has to go. Why he hasn't been benched is beyond me but his inability to stop himself from getting pushed back has become a huge liability. Look at this key play against the Bucs. Want to know why Torrain had to go east-west instead of north south. Because Rabach was literally pushed into him.


So many of Shanahan's best lineman have been late round picks. Late being 4th round and better. We need to realize that fixing the line isn't going to come from binging in the first and second round on offensive lineman but rather identifying talent later in the draft and creating depth all around. Hopefully we've already started with Cook and Capers.

this is what blows my mind we can all see it wtf can't he. did they just fast forward this play during films? i mean it's 3rd and 1 from the 2 and rabach gets blown back 4 yards. it's things like this that i just don't understand

[Hog1]

There is....nothing that the coaching staff does not see or know that the fan base....does. THAT is why they are highly paid coaches...Professionals......experts. For many years have they done this type of work.
BUT in the head of a fan....everything is fixable...now...easy....
My wife does the same thing...re-sod the yard, how hard can it be?
Install a pool in the backyard...how hard can it be? Such is the logic of the fan.
Reverse 10 years of mismanagement and bad personnel decisions in a handfull of games...how hard can it be??????

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

this is what blows my mind we can all see it wtf can't he. did they just fast forward this play during films? i mean it's 3rd and 1 from the 2 and rabach gets blown back 4 yards. it's things like this that i just don't understand

He's a captain.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Hog1

There is....nothing that the coaching staff does not see or know that the fan base....does. THAT is why they are highly paid coaches...Professionals......experts. For many years have they done this type of work.
BUT in the head of a fan....everything is fixable...now...easy....
My wife does the same thing...re-sod the yard, how hard can it be?
Install a pool in the backyard...how hard can it be? Such is the logic of the fan.
Reverse 10 years of mismanagement and bad personnel decisions in a handfull of games...how hard can it be??????

But... we play Madden!!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Carriker has actually been a nice find. Maybe not dominant but such is the nature of being a 3-4 DE not named Seymour or Smith. Kory L also has been pretty decent and should be a solid starter for the next few years.

I don't think people realize this but building an O-Line is a constant process and in order to feed that process you can't afford to use 1st and 2nd round picks every year to fuel it otherwise you're doing a huge disservice to the rest of your team.

The best lines usually have at most two first day draft picks and then supplement the rest of the line with late round draft picks and free agents. Our inability to find those late round role players has been our Achilles heel, in part because we haven't even tried to draft anyone to begin with.

The only real priority on the line these days is center. Rabach has to go. Why he hasn't been benched is beyond me but his inability to stop himself from getting pushed back has become a huge liability. Look at this key play against the Bucs. Want to know why Torrain had to go east-west instead of north south. Because Rabach was literally pushed into him.


So many of Shanahan's best lineman have been late round picks. Late being 4th round and better. We need to realize that fixing the line isn't going to come from binging in the first and second round on offensive lineman but rather identifying talent later in the draft and creating depth all around. Hopefully we've already started with Cook and Capers.

Actually, people forget that we have two centers already on the roster trying to play guard. Guard is the real need. Mike Williams, for all the upside, is a risky investment every year for that and of course, we have no true left guard. Heyer looked alright, but as we know, the coaching staff may not even bother with it. That said, I agree that the only mid- and high first rounders used on linemen should go to left tackles. The other four OL positions needs to be picked from the 2nd round on down.

And people should get used to slow ass linemen like Carriker. Terrence Cody ran the slowest 40 time in quite a while, but no one gives a shit about his athleticism because he's just supposed eat up double- and triple-teams.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

But... we play Madden!!

Hmmmmm...........forgot about that
I wonder, can you re-sod the yard in Madden?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Hmmmmm...........forgot about that
I wonder, can you re-sod the yard in Madden?

How hard can it be?

[Hog1]

SO true...

[Dread-Skin]

Rebuild ? Not even the alien technology that built the pyramids could rebuild this team. Sell the team Dan and new owner move to DC. I doubt we will win the division for the next 10 years, maybe even longer.

[ethat001]

So now that we've ended the McNabb era.. How likely is it that we'll be able to get a QB in the draft?

Right now we'd have a 5-way tie for the ~8th pick. Since our season is officially over, I'm actually rooting for us to lose the rest of our games - to get the best shot at a top QB. Okay, as a fan - I still want us to play well each game, but lose on a last-minute crazy fumble or something - so we feel good that we played well.

Looking at the teams, I don't think we have a shot at Locker or Luck. I also don't think Cam Newton will be worth as much hype as he's going to get.

Panthers - need a QB, likely pick Luck
Bengals - ?probably stick with Palmer?
Lions - have stafford
Denver Broncos - need a QB, Orton sucks
Bills - ?stick with fitzpatrick?
Cowboys - have romo
Arizona Cardinals - need a QB
San Francisco 49ers - ?take a QB

Any thoughts? Let the rebuilding begin..