Vikings and Patriots complete trade for Randy Moss

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

Something on... but off the subject...

Guess the total amount of catches this past Sunday for "the Mosses" Randy & Santana COMBINED.

Answer: ZERO.

I'd venture to say that's the first time EVER that these 2 guys were healthy, played an entire game, and the two combined for no catches on the same day. It's extremely rare enough that either one has a no-catch day as is..

Now off the subject...

I meant to mention this in another thread... but Donovan/Redskins didn't even target Santana Moss once Sunday... it was very odd watching our pass offense in the 2nd Half...

McNabb's 2nd Half: 2-for-11 for 10 yds and an INT... yuck. :vomit:

Sinorice didn't even get on the field either.

[Dirtbag59]

Somewhere Troy Williamson is smiling

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by InsaneBoost

Wish they would have waited till after we played them.

Trade deadline is week 6 of the season.

[Shadowbyte]

Wow, a WR arguing with the play caller. That's a rairty in the NFL. I see why they traded him.

[Dirtbag59]

Interesting. Ever since the Patriots switched to more two tight end sets, Tom Brady has become more accurate.
Patriots' O moved away from Randy Moss - AFC East Blog - ESPN

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Interesting. Ever since the Patriots switched to more two tight end sets, Tom Brady has become more accurate.
Patriots' O moved away from Randy Moss - AFC East Blog - ESPN

Well duh. Deep plays are low percentage plays by nature. Pass-catching tight ends are usually more sure-handed than other receivers. Of course his completion percentage--which I would argue is an APPROXIMATION of accuracy--is higher.

[Dirtbag59]

I find it funny that the two best receivers in this generation have 0 Super Bowl rings.

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Well duh. Deep plays are low percentage plays by nature. Pass-catching tight ends are usually more sure-handed than other receivers. Of course his completion percentage--which I would argue is an APPROXIMATION of accuracy--is higher.

I just think that the Pats will be better off now that they don't have to worry about satisfying Moss's ego. It feels to me like a lot of offenses become limited in what they can do offensively when they have to cater to a particular player above the call of duty.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I find it funny that the two best receivers in this generation have 0 Super Bowl rings.

That is because passing game is over hyped and over rated. Teams that are really strong in the passing game usually become overly reliant on it and abandon the run. They can become one dimensional. So far this season the strong top 10 rushing teams are winning more than the strong top 10 passing teams:

2010 Top 10 Rushing Teams and their win/loss records:

1) Houston 3-1
2) NY Jets 3-1
3) KC 3-0
4) ATL 3-1
5) Vikes 1-2
6) Raiders 1-3
7) Steelers 3-1
8) Giants 2-2
9) Titians 2-2
10)Chargers 2-2

2010 Top 10 Passing Teams and their win/loss records:

1) Denver 2-2
2) Colts 2-2
3) Chargers 2-2
4) Cowboys 1-2
5) Saints 3-1
6) Bengals 2-2
7) Lions 0-4
8) Texans 3-1
9) Giants 2-2
10)Falcons 3-1

It is best to be balanced than heavy on one side. The teams that have the WR's that are producing huge/crazy numbers like previous years Denver/Brandon Marshall were not usually winning teams.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is because passing game is over hyped and over rated. Teams that are really strong in the passing game usually become overly reliant on it and abandon the run. They can become one dimensional. So far this season the strong top 10 rushing teams are winning more than the strong top 10 passing teams:

2010 Top 10 Rushing Teams and their win/loss records:

1) Houston 3-1
2) NY Jets 3-1
3) KC 3-0
4) ATL 3-1
5) Vikes 1-2
6) Raiders 1-3
7) Steelers 3-1
8) Giants 2-2
9) Titians 2-2
10)Chargers 2-2

2010 Top 10 Passing Teams and their win/loss records:

1) Denver 2-2
2) Colts 2-2
3) Chargers 2-2
4) Cowboys 1-2
5) Saints 3-1
6) Bengals 2-2
7) Lions 0-4
8) Texans 3-1
9) Giants 2-2
10)Falcons 3-1

It is best to be balanced or leaning more towards the running game than the pass.

I agree, but the past two seasons you have seen an emphasis on the pass as run production seems to have gone down overall somewhat, as the RB studs of the last 5 years have gone downhill in ypg, mostly due to injury. This is one of the reasons I am not sure a 18 game season is such a good thing. RBs are getting pounded and even with the teams going to more of a dual back system it isn't necessarily helping.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is because passing game is over hyped and over rated. Teams that are really strong in the passing game usually become overly reliant on it and abandon the run. They can become one dimensional. So far this season the strong top 10 rushing teams are winning more than the strong top 10 passing teams:

2010 Top 10 Rushing Teams and their win/loss records:

1) Houston 3-1
2) NY Jets 3-1
3) KC 3-0
4) ATL 3-1
5) Vikes 1-2
6) Raiders 1-3
7) Steelers 3-1
8) Giants 2-2
9) Titians 2-2
10)Chargers 2-2

2010 Top 10 Passing Teams and their win/loss records:

1) Denver 2-2
2) Colts 2-2
3) Chargers 2-2
4) Cowboys 1-2
5) Saints 3-1
6) Bengals 2-2
7) Lions 0-4
8) Texans 3-1
9) Giants 2-2
10)Falcons 3-1

It is best to be balanced than heavy on one side. The teams that have the WR's that are producing huge/crazy numbers like previous years Denver/Brandon Marshall were not usually winning teams.

I'm sure if you asked a bunch of "experts" for the ten best passing teams in football, the Lions, and Bengals would be on it.

Those lists are meaningless. It's an arbitrary grouping of teams.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm sure if you asked a bunch of "experts" for the ten best passing teams in football, the Lions, and Bengals would be on it.

Those lists are meaningless. It's an arbitrary grouping of teams.

I know, but it goes to show that the teams that are patient and do not abandon the run this year are being rewarded with wins, the teams that are going more to the passing game are not winning as much.
Look at the Cowboy Redskins game earlier this season, if the Cowboys had continued running the ball they would have easily beat us. Instead they became impatient and not to mention they love Romo, Witten and Dez.
The cowboys really blew and pulled a Vinny Cerratoo by drafting Dez and not taking a strong OL which was a much stronger need.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I know, but it goes to show that the teams that are patient and do not abandon the run this year are being rewarded with wins, the teams that are going more to the passing game are not winning as much.
Look at the Cowboy Redskins game earlier this season, if the Cowboys had continued running the ball they would have easily beat us. Instead they became impatient and not to mention they love Romo, Witten and Dez.
The cowboys really blew and pulled a Vinny Cerratoo by drafting Dez and not taking a strong OL which was a much stronger need.

Well, I don't think you're wrong, but there are also teams that lose games because they stick with the running game as a safety blanket when they aren't very good at it. I generally think teams should just stick with what is working, and not try to randomize so much. If you can throw 55 times a game and score a bunch of points, do that.

Let's not get this confused: run/pass balance is split among whether teams lead or trail mostly. If you want to find teams that run the ball a lot, you just need to look at teams that lead by ten or more points a lot.

If you want to find teams that are actually good at running the ball, well, that's the Eagles, Chargers, and 49ers. Those teams can really run it...and they'll still lose any game where they don't get big plays in the passing game.

[GTripp0012]

Other players without rings:

Brian Urlacher
Champ Bailey
DeMarcus Ware
LaDainian Tomlinson
Tony Gonzalez
Jason Taylor
Edgerrin James
Ricky Williams
John Abraham
Priest Holmes
Julius Peppers
Ed Reed
Brian Dawkins
Kevin Williams
Jared Allen
Karlos Dansby

Big list of have-nots, I suppose?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Other players without rings:

Brian Urlacher
Champ Bailey
DeMarcus Ware
LaDainian Tomlinson
Tony Gonzalez
Jason Taylor
Edgerrin James
Ricky Williams
John Abraham
Priest Holmes
Julius Peppers
Ed Reed
Brian Dawkins
Kevin Williams
Jared Allen
Karlos Dansby

Big list of have-nots, I suppose?

Yeah but no one acquired those guys or hoped to acquire those guys with the belief that they would be the main piece that would lead their team to a Super Bowl victory. People are so obsessed with acquiring receivers without realizing their limited impact on a teams W-L record.

Also, just out of curiosity, does Randy Moss run one route?

[NYCskinfan82]

old english have 8 picks in the first 4 rounds of the 2011 draft WOW.