Haslett to accept Defensive Coordinator

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think we're going to give 3-4 looks but I really don't think we're going 3-4 full-time

Agreed. Man we sure don't jump to conclusions around here huh? One hire and we're changing to the 3-4 and getting rid of Haynesworth?

[MTK]

I really have no strong feelings in either direction on this hire. Yeah he's had some mediocre rankings recently but I think you have to consider the teams and the talent he was coaching at the time. Nobody in the know seems to dispute that he's a solid defensive mind, so I'm willing to be open to what he may bring to the table. At the least, he should be more aggressive and inventive with his schemes than Blache was.

[Ruhskins]

I don't know why ppl keep focusing on Haslett's record as a HC. He ran a good defense for three seasons in Pittsburgh (top 15) before becoming the Saints HC. Grilliams was a pretty bad HC in Buffalo and Spags has had a rough time in St. Louis, but they are both really good DCs. Ppl need to chill the F out and see how things work out.

[Chico23231]

dont like the move, he past defenses werent that great....

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He has never played a NT, and he has made it clear that he wants to rush the passer

I could see big Al moving to DE in a 3-4 alignment, he loves to rush the passer.

Daseal spoke about Vince Wilfork, I wish there was a way we could pry him away from NE. I wanted us to draft him the year he came in. He was on the board at our selection.

[rypper11]

I like Haslett's attitude and approach to his players. He doesn't have any problem getting in a player's face or calling them out. I think he gets a lot out of his players regardless of their talent.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

I have watched this guy since he was the Saints head coach. He blows... I have not seen him do anything even mediocre. ALL piss poor coaching and personell selection. Sorry to be debby downer, but I can see a defensive coaching change after a season or two. This sucks, but I guess there wasn't anyone else out there..

I feel the same exact way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This guy just has never looked confident!!! Sorry to stereotype, but damn i always thought he sucked monkey nuts!! Fat Albert will be tea baggin him the first week of training camp!! I sure hope he proves us wrong!!!

[Chico23231]

Wouldnt mind seeing a poll on this move...moving to the 3-4 is going to be too drastic of a move with the talent we all ready have on a defense which was f*ing 10 times better than our sorry a$$ offense...Our defense isnt that far off...3-4 defense is going to be just as big of a rebuilding process as our O, but I guess its really no better time to do it than now...IMO this is a let down compared to the rumours that Zim might have been here

[Ruhskins]

Matt Mosley's take on the Haslett hiring.

Haslett should be a good fit with Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I really have no strong feelings in either direction on this hire. Yeah he's had some mediocre rankings recently but I think you have to consider the teams and the talent he was coaching at the time. Nobody in the know seems to dispute that he's a solid defensive mind, so I'm willing to be open to what he may bring to the table. At the least, he should be more aggressive and inventive with his schemes than Blache was.

These are points well taken, also during the time he was HC in NO he had a DC in Rick Venturi who was to blame for a variety of their failures on defense. I'm willing to give this hire the benefit of the doubt and use my trusted approach in wait and see how it works out.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I really have no strong feelings in either direction on this hire. Yeah he's had some mediocre rankings recently but I think you have to consider the teams and the talent he was coaching at the time. Nobody in the know seems to dispute that he's a solid defensive mind, so I'm willing to be open to what he may bring to the table. At the least, he should be more aggressive and inventive with his schemes than Blache was.

Of the 31 other defensive coordinators in the league last year, i would say at least 25 of them were "more aggressive" than Blache. Most of the positive comments ive seen here about Haslett (and there are fairly few of them) center around the fact that he's not Greg Blache.

Of all the potential names being touted as potential DCs for Shanahan, Haslett was the worst. To find out that we contacted Crennel but never had serious discussions with him is perplexing. Saying he is a great defensive mind but blaming the teams/talent he was coaching for his poor defenses doesn't even make sense. Gregg Williams took a horrible defense over in New Orleans and made it elite. In the NFL, the level of raw talent is comparable on every single NFL team. COACHING is what makes the difference between mediocre/poor and excellent in this league. Haslett may have a great defenisve mind, but if he were a great coach, the results (his defenses performance over a decade) would testify to that. They don't.

in his last 10 years in Denver, Shanahan won 1 - ONE - playoff game. Why? Well, partly, because Denver's defenses sucked. One of Shanahan's downfalls in Denver was that he didn't select good defensive coordinators, forcing him to get new ones nearly every year. What this hire shows me is that, despite all the blind faith wishes of fans to the contrary, Shanahan hasn't changed one bit. He's selected yet another poor defensive coordinator. (More) mediocrity, here we come.

People who take a wait and see approach are setting themselves up for bitter disappointment. I'm sure Denver fans said the same thing each time Shanahan selected a new D.C. How'd that work out for them?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Of the 31 other defensive coordinators in the league last year, i would say at least 25 of them were "more aggressive" than Blache. Most of the positive comments ive seen here about Haslett (and there are fairly few of them) center around the fact that he's not Greg Blache.

Of all the potential names being touted as potential DCs for Shanahan, Haslett was the worst. To find out that we contacted Crennel but never had serious discussions with him is perplexing. Saying he is a great defensive mind but blaming the teams/talent he was coaching for his poor defenses doesn't even make sense. Gregg Williams took a horrible defense over in New Orleans and made it elite. In the NFL, the level of raw talent is comparable on every single NFL team. COACHING is what makes the difference between mediocre/poor and excellent in this league. Haslett may have a great defenisve mind, but if he were a great coach, the results (his defenses performance over a decade) would testify to that. They don't.

in his last 10 years in Denver, Shanahan won 1 - ONE - playoff game. Why? Well, partly, because Denver's defenses sucked. One of Shanahan's downfalls in Denver was that he didn't select good defensive coordinators, forcing him to get new ones nearly every year. What this hire shows me is that, despite all the blind faith wishes of fans to the contrary, Shanahan hasn't changed one bit. More mediocrity, here we come.

I think we could have done a lot worse than Hasslet. I mean really dude do you have to poo-poo everything? Are you going to give anything a chance?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think we could have done a lot worse than Hasslet. I mean really dude do you have to poo-poo everything? Are you going to give anything a chance?

Sure we could have done worse. You can always do worse. Shanahan could have hired Vinny Cerrato or matt Millen or Miss Piggy as defensive coordinator. If saying "we could have done worse" is satisfactory, then I think you and I have two entirely different levels of what is acceptable.

Rank Gray, Zimmer, Crennel, and Haslett (the candidates we know the skins had contact with) in order from best option to worst option. If Haslett is #1 or #2 on your list then you're not basing your opinion on the actual records of any of these men.

If I see signs that things are changing, i'll give them a chance. If I see history repeating itself, and that history is full of failure, i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore whats happening. I WANT to give Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, and now Haslett the benefit of the doubt. But they've got to give me some real evidence that things are different. Up until now, they haven't. They might say all the right things about wanting to win, but so does every single owner, GM, and coach in this league. They all say the exact same things. Its actions that count. So far, the actions do not* look promising and i'm not going to delude myself just to have some temporary false excitement and hope.

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[hail_2_da_skins]

Lets play a few games before we deem Haslett as the worse defensive coordinator. I guess Greg Blache was the best defensive coordinator. His defenses were highly ranked. In my book that does mean jack. Seems like whenever the Redskins needed a stop to win a game, the defense failed miserably. I don't ever want to see a safety lined up 30 yards down field or a cornerback lined up 15 yards off the receiver when its third and 5. I hated the Redskin alignment. I like the players but Blache's strategy was questionable. I want to see change. I want to see what Haslett can do with the 3-4 hybrid.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Sure we could have done worse. You can always do worse. Shanahan could have hired Vinny Cerrato or matt Millen or Miss Piggy as defensive coordinator. If saying "we could have done worse" is satisfactory, then I think you and I have two entirely different levels of what is acceptable.

Rank Gray, Zimmer, Crennel, and Haslett (the candidates we know the skins had contact with) in order from best option to worst option. If Haslett is #1 or #2 on your list then you're not basing your opinion on the actual records of any of these men.

If I see signs that things are changing, i'll give them a chance. If I see history repeating itself, and that history is full of failure, i'm not going to stick my head in the sand and ignore whats happening. I WANT to give Snyder, Allen, Shanahan, and now Haslett the benefit of the doubt. But they've got to give me some real evidence that things are different. Up until now, they haven't. They might say all the right things about wanting to win, but so does every single owner, GM, and coach in this league. They all say the exact same things. Its actions that count. So far, the actions do look promising and i'm not going to delude myself just to have false excitement and hope.

I'm not saying it's satisfactory, but you DID say he was the worst. So is he the worst or not?

You're all over the place. Nothing is different, though the actions are promising... do you even know what you're thinking?