The official 2008 draft discussion thread

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The best remaining are:

O-Line
OT Carl Nicks
OT Anthony Collins
OG Roy Schuening
OG Eric Young
C Steven Justice

D-line
DT Marcus Harrison
DT Dre Moore
DE Cliff Avril
DE Chris Ellis

LB
MLB Dan Connor
MLB Tavares Gooden
OLB Erin Henderson
OLB Xavier Adibi
OLB Bruce Davis

CB
CB Justin King
CB Charles Godfrey
CB Reggie Smith

Am I missing any? I'd be happy if we drafted any of those guys.

Agreed. Any two of these guys would be solid as our 3rd & 4th rd picks and fill needs. Two guys in the late rounds could also help, Radovich, G, USC and the DE kid from Hampton, but he'll probably be gone

[NYCSkin]

I like the "take the best player available" approach that Cerrato seems to be employing. After watching our poodle offense last year struggle to score 20 points--I'm thinking that if one of these guys helps us score another fg or td a game-then we'll win 2 more games a year.

This league is slanted to scoring points and the Skins seem to struggle to do that the last few years. While our offense may have been efficient at times; I felt it struggled to produce easy scores (runs/passes > 40 yards) and stalled a bit too often in the redzone. I can see these picks helping with both--opening up Portis/Moss/ARE for bigger plays while addressing our redzone failings with some "bigs" at receiver...

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

This is what I think happened with the TE...
The Skins got the first WR because of value...and because Merling was gone.
Then the Skins saw great value with the TE and figured....hey...a TE is like another WR and this guy is great....better grab him....Campbell will be around...
Then Campbell disappeared just like Merling and the Skins went value for a WR again...they kinda had too in a way...

Bottom line...their mistake was not being able to pass over a great value TE in an effort to shore up a major need....they were thinking they could squeeze a couple more pick out before DL disappeared...they were wrong and got greedy....now we are overstaffed on O and have no potential starters on Dline.....again.

Don't get me wrong...I like 2 good WR's...but we dont need another TE....that will be on the bench at least 75% of the time..heck...the second WR will be in the same situation...
A Dline pick would have potentially been starting 75% of the time....
That is my issue...
If you lock yourself into value only....your draft is graded well but you haven't addressed your key needs.

How many predraft folks were saying the skins needed 2 WR and a TE?
Most were saying 1 WR....the rest was line and defense.

Maybe they all understood that 1.) Chris Cooley needed a capable backup - which we don't currently have; and 2.) A second receiving tight end is vital for Zorn's offense to work.

I highly suggest checking out the youtube clip SmootSmack posted as an example of how double TE sets can confuse opposing defenses.

[jsarno]

I'm still trying to figure out this TE we drafted...WHY? We could have had Campbell right? Or did I miss something??

[XXVI]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree with drafting the WR's at the time. They were the best available football players. But the TE pick was foolish. We should have taken DE Campbell.

This a typical Snyderatto draft. Offense offense offense. Snyderatto has never met a skill position player he did not want to get. This is the only reason i do not like Snyderatto as our GM. I do not dislike them, it is a diffrence in philosophy.
I prefer we draft Lineman. It is simple reasoning, there more people on this planet that are the size of a skill position player. There are less 6'6" 300 pound star athletes on this planet. So getting talented and skilled linemen is more difficult because there are less of them in our population.

The Redskins built their dynasty of the 80's and early 90's on strong lines. Our lines were big and deep.
Our WR's on the other hand, other than 1st round pick Art Monk, were nobodys Charlie Brown, Alvin Garret, Ricky Sanders, Virgil Seay. WR's are a dime a dozen.

Before you run your mouth, get your damned facts straight, ignorant.

2007
1. LaRon Landry, S, LSU
5. Dallas Sartz, LB, USC
6. H.B. Blades, LB, Pittsburgh
6. Jordan Palmer, QB, UTEP
7. Tyler Ecker, TE, Michigan

2006
2. Roger McIntosh, OLB, Miami - 35th overall
5. Anthony Montgomery, DT, Minnesota - 153rd overall
6. Reed Doughty, S, North Colorado - 173rd overall
6. Kedric Golston, DT, Georgia - 196th overall
7. Kili Lefotu, OG, Arizona - 230th overall
7. Kevin Simon, ILB, Tennessee - 250th overall


2005
1. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn (9th overall)
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn (25th overall)
4. Manuel White, FB, UCLA (120th overall)
5. Robert McCune, ILB, Louisville (154th overall)
6. Jared Newberry, OLB, Stanford (183rd overall)
7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB, The Citadel (222nd overall)


2004
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall



11 Defensive players in 4 years.
3 Offensive Linemen
6 Skill Players

Offense Offense Offense?

11 D
9 O

And when is the last time we drafted a WR in the first round?01 and 03. You can see a distinction in Snyderatto's evolution. He let Spurrier dictate who he wanted, and it bit him in the ass, with us as fans. Two WR's is not that bad of a pick. Everyone we have on D isn't exactally retiring. We need a cb, we need a ss, and line help. I understand to an extent where they are coming from. At those late picks, you cannot pass up a first rounder thats slipped THAT far. I know the rest of the draft is going to be OL and defense.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by jsarno

That's a good deal for us considering we seemed to have gotten who we were targeting anyway.
Does anyone know why we selected 2 wr's? Or was this just a case of best player available at the time (kelly)?

It was, it was an excellent trade, but the results were horrible. Being a slave to the BPA no matter what is a recipie for failure. Honestly I'm mad at myself for putting so much trust into Cerrato and Snyder.

[Soup's Uncle]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm in love with all three of these picks.

First off, it shows that our coaches and GM aren't smoking crack and drinking the Anthony Mix Kool Aid. They recognize that we need serious weapons. They're right.

Santana Moss, as good as he is, doesn't score enough TDs. Same with ARE. Down in the red zone these guys disappear. Nevermind the fact that Moss is getting older and that without these WRs, James Thrash or Anthony Mix would be our #3 WR (horrible).

Fred Davis gives us a second TE weapon, another big body for making yards after the catch.

We got serious value out of our picks. You guys are crazy.

I totally agree. My Dad and I were like "Hel frickin yeah...we got some ballers."

I love having all of these offensive weapons. Our offense has always stalled at the worst times. I will not rush to jusdge the FO until I see the rest of the picks.

Now if they go draft two RB's and another wide out, I'll be pissed.

I could see them working another trade tomorrow. Possibly a player for another 3rd rounder.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I'm still trying to figure out this TE we drafted...WHY? We could have had Campbell right? Or did I miss something??

Don't forget Calais Campbell only benched 13 reps @ 225 in the combine and ran poorly. His ex-DL coach is also on staff, so same as us not getting Hackett, I'm going to trust an ex-coach of a player knowing something if the guy is not brought in and he would've filled a need.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by NYCSkin

I like the "take the best player available" approach that Cerrato seems to be employing. After watching our poodle offense last year struggle to score 20 points--I'm thinking that if one of these guys helps us score another fg or td a game-then we'll win 2 more games a year.
This league is slanted to scoring points and the Skins seem to struggle to do that the last few years. While our offense may have been efficient at times; I felt it struggled to produce easy scores (runs/passes > 40 yards) and stalled a bit too often in the redzone. I can see these picks helping with both--opening up Portis/Moss/ARE for bigger plays while addressing our redzone failings with some "bigs" at receiver...

Bingo. This team hasn't exactly been lighting up the scoreboard over the past few seasons. As you said, only here and there has this offense looked somewhat efficient.

Plus, it's a passing league now. Look at the Colts last year: they have Harrison, Wayne, and Dallas Clark, and they take Anthony Gonzales with their first pick.

We need more options, we need to score more touchdowns, and Moss and Randle El by themselves just don't cut it.

For what it's worth, Mel Kiper just listed Washington as a Day One "Winner".

[SKINSnCANES]

great video of the two TE sets run in green bay.

I think running with two TEs is awesome, and great for Madden.

I gotta believe Zorn either 1) Doesnt like ARE and MOSS as anything more than slot receivers or 2) ARE is fine in the slot, Moss is been hurt and getting older...by the time these two develop we'l need receivers anyways.

[mooby]

My only question is how are we gonna get the ball to all these "ballers" if the o-line is injured? To me the o and d lines are more important than skill positions, you make sure you are solid up front before you start upgrading your skill positions. I do trust the front office to try and shore us up on the lines though tomorrow, the only way I will truly believe that we are nuts is if we don't bring in anyone tomorrow to give us depth on the lines. Our front office can't be that stupid though. Look on the bright side though, if our o-line is healthy then our offense will be looking pretty damn good.

[XXVI]

Call me crazy, but we may just offer Moss and next years first for CJ? Any takers?

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Maybe they all understood that 1.) Chris Cooley needed a capable backup - which we don't currently have; and 2.) A second receiving tight end is vital for Zorn's offense to work.

I highly suggest checking out the youtube clip SmootSmack posted as an example of how double TE sets can confuse opposing defenses.

I saw the play and it is cool...
My point has more to do with using top picks for folks on the bench when we need starters on the Dline and elsewhere.

On that particular play...there were 2 TE and 2 WR....that leave either our 2 current top WRs on the bench, or our 2 new top picks.

In an ideal world....I would have liked to use one of these top picks on the Dline because, hell, they'd be a full time starter at minimum by 09
My point.....Talent does nothing when it aint in the game.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Bingo. This team hasn't exactly been lighting up the scoreboard over the past few seasons. As you said, only here and there has this offense looked somewhat efficient.

Plus, it's a passing league now. Look at the Colts last year: they have Harrison, Wayne, and Dallas Clark, and they take Anthony Gonzales with their first pick.

We need more options, we need to score more touchdowns, and Moss and Randle El by themselves just don't cut it.

For what it's worth, Mel Kiper just listed Washington as a Day One "Winner".

and the Patriots added Stallworth, traded for Wes Welker, and then traded picks for Randy Moss...and they had just drafted Bethel Johnson, and Ben Watson... all they have to show is 75 TDs last year...

[12thMan]

Funny how people are forgetting our defense finished number 8 last year, and our offense struggled big time.

I don't care how good your defense is, if you can't score more than 20 points a game, you aint going far my friend.