Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

No way. There is nothing that I would want to see more than Soup hold up that Lombardy Trophy up and prove everyone wrong. The man has class. He might be a good QB for another team. He might be a good back up like Collins. Al Synderatto ruined him the minute he hired Jimbo. He's done though. Even that duffus Jimbo knows that. As for his numbers, eff statistics! As a man smarter than myself once said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statisitics." I think it was Twain but don't hold me to that.

I came to the realization that this was coming on like, week one. This is funny to me. What else can you do but laugh? They haven't earned any more of my anger. They deserve my ridicule and spite. Except for the Defense, I've no love for this team, especially the grifter in chief. Suing an old lady? Man eff you. A pox on your house. And that's from the heart.

It does give me pleasure to see Danny cry. Because even though my anger has been replaced with humor, cynicism, and indifference, I know Snyder is up in his suite shitting his britches. When Phat All lays on his back in the middle of the field, in every game, I laugh my ass off. It makes me feel really good knowing that King Douche feels so bad.

It's not cool to speak in third-person, you know.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Buster

It's not cool to speak in third-person, you know.

Are you going to apologize for Snyder?

[Trample the Elderly]

You know I take some of that back. Sometimes I get a little overzealous. I don't wish a pox on Snyder's family.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Fair enough, I'll stop sort of saying that Gibbs 'ruined him' but while he may have been a good 'fit' for Gibbs system, I don't think he was a good fit with Gibbs.

Enough about that though, his lack of development and production this season has been disappointing to me-but I don't know that anyone else will do anything better behind this line.

May be true, may not have mattered

Not every QB is going to develop no matter who the coach is.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You really put JC in the same sentence with Brady, McNadd, Warner & Palmer?

Some people like stats and think that it tells the whole story.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

An undefeated season (should have been a National Champonship) at Auburn says otherwise.

College is a whole different game. They miss open guys just as much, but they also have receivers that get 10 yards open and literally stand there and wait for the ball and get tackled on the 4 yard line because the safety finally figured out what happened. You don't have the speed, the routes, the necessity to catch in stride, the defensive looks, etc in college nearly the same as you do in the NFL.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You made a lot of great points and I agreed with most of it except what you said here. With 5 undisputedly "good" (not great) players on offense last year we should have been much better than we were. This year, we've lost a couple of those guys and others have declined. However, I think one of the key problems with our entire offense is that we don't have the right personnel to run it. Like it or not, Campbell is simply not suited to be a WCO Quarterback. Can he do it - sure. Any QB can play the WCO if he has to - but the key is he can't do it well. Then there's Portis, who has bulked up from his denver days and is a power runner, he's not explosive and not a great pass-catcher either - not the right type of feature back for a WCO. And we can complain all we want about how bad our O-line is, because it is bad, but its not the right type of offensive line to run a WCO. Even when healthy, the line wasnt light or agile enough to run the WCO effectively.

When it boils down to it, Vinny and Danny made a huge mistake by hiring a WCO coach and not replacing the current offensive personnel. As a result, they've wasted two years of everyones time and wasted alot of potential.

We were arguably the best offensive team in the NFL for the first half of the season. It's because of the miserable failures since then that it seems like so gosh darn long ago, but what we did have was working. We were, in part because of two wins over cupcakes, 6-2. Three games before, we were a very legit 4-1, and one of the best five teams in football. That was with the WCO. There was nothing fluky about that performance that wouldn't also apply to the first six games of this season.

From that point forward, decline set in and things were clearly different. The OL cracked and later broke. The lack of depth at WR really set in when our running game became unproductive. None of these things have the first thing to do with the WCO. It wasn't un-normal decline, or decline related to the expansion of the WCO, and contrary to popular reporting, the run fits did not change in the middle of the season.

Campbell has both played in the WCO well and poorly over the last 22 games. He has reached the highest point in his career (Week 7), and the lowest (the 2009 offseason) playing in the same offense. He hasn't been terrible this year, but at age 27, we're getting somewhere close to whatever he's going to be in this offense. Eli Manning is an exception to the rule, as he endured a horrific regular season in his 3rd full year as a starter, but played on a team that lucked into the playoff, and has since raised his level of play.

Ultimately, though, the comparison ends there. Eli plays for an organization who--even though they gave up more to get him than we gave for Campbell--never moved to scapegoat him for any offensive issues they might have had. We on the other hand, have systematically sabotaged anything we might have gotten from Campbell at the conclusion of his development through horrendous personnel decisions and complete mis-management.

What I said in the offseason still rings true: if this organization can't win with Campbell, then they can't win without him. Major organizational changes will be necessary to ever have an offense that can produce points consistently, and that means that whoever is building the 2010 team cannot worry about who the QB of the team is. Campbell or anyone else. Too many other pressing issues: offensive and defensive, must be taken care of first.

[RedBar]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Too many other pressing issues: offensive and defensive, must be taken care of first.

ESPECIALLY the defense hey Trip. LOL. 5th overall defense, 8th in scoring and tied for six in your beloved sacks.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RedBar

ESPECIALLY the defense hey Trip. LOL. 5th overall defense, 8th in scoring and tied for six in your beloved sacks.

Your words, not mine.

[RedBar]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Your words, not mine.

Yeah you seem a lot more clever with other peoples words. You need to stick to that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RedBar

Yeah you seem a lot more clever with other peoples words. You need to stick to that.

Well, before you get banned, I would like to commend you on your well-thought out opinions and critiques. I don't know what I would do if I didn't have you to help check my ego at the door. You're doing a great job, even if you're not old enough to read the fourm rules yet.

I'm going to miss having you around. Stay in touch.

[RedBar]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, before you get banned, I would like to commend you on your well-thought out opinions and critiques. I don't know what I would do if I didn't have you to help check my ego at the door. You're doing a great job, even if you're not old enough to read the fourm rules yet.

I'm going to miss having you around. Stay in touch.

I bet you'd love that.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You really put JC in the same sentence with Brady, McNadd, Warner & Palmer?

In the context of dispelling a ridiculous criticism, yes. Not comparing him to them but if you're going to criticize, at least be accurate in your criticism.

[Green1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You really put JC in the same sentence with Brady, McNadd, Warner & Palmer?

You have to, the numbers are there, and these QBs have been in the same Offense for years. JC's 5th year in the league and he has had 3 different Offenses to learn. Name one of those Qbs that has changed offenses in the last four seasons.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Green1

You have to, the numbers are there, and these QBs have been in the same Offense for years. JC's 5th year in the league and he has had 3 different Offenses to learn. Name one of those Qbs that has changed offenses in the last four seasons.

JC is nowhere near any of those QB's. you can pull the numbers all you want but it comes down to W's. we couldnt score a td on the worst defense in the league and there are QB's like Rodgers who get hit just about every play and still put up points so its hard to blame it all on the oline.
The different system excuse is old,please let it go.