Gibbs vs. Spurrier -- stats about even?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by That Guy

stop right there... GW is ONLY here because of gibbs, OBC/SS would have NEVER been able to land him.

that is what everyone said when Danny went out and hired Marvis Lewis. No way is he going to work for a College coach, and he did.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

that is what everyone said when Danny went out and hired Marvis Lewis. No way is he going to work for a College coach, and he did.

And left after one year. Obviously Marvin Lewis wasn't interested in staying in Washington at all.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

And left after one year. Obviously Marvin Lewis wasn't interested in staying in Washington at all.

He left to take the head job in Cincy. It was not about staying in Wash it was about accepting a head coach job which just about every guy coaching in the NFL wants to do.

[Hog1]

On a little different vein. One of the reasons I think Spurrier REALLY let us down. I like many of you was stoked about Spurrier coming to DC. The guy had INCREDIBLE college creds. Like, the ONLY guy to win the Heisman, win the national title as a collegiate player. NFL QB with Tampa, Won the National title as a collegiate coach! (I'm probably missed something) Nothing but success!!!!!!! He killed himself almost from the beginning, then quits---------I was in shock. However, like many things, it had a huge silver lining!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Hog1

On a little different vein. One of the reasons I think Spurrier REALLY let us down. I like many of you was stoked about Spurrier coming to DC. The guy had INCREDIBLE college creds. Like, the ONLY guy to win the Heisman, win the national title as a collegiate player. NFL QB with Tampa, Won the National title as a collegiate coach! (I'm probably missed something) Nothing but success!!!!!!! He killed himself almost from the beginning, then quits---------I was in shock. However, like many things, it had a huge silver lining!

He quit because Danny wanted him to fire his entire staff. He stuck up for his guys and said he wasn't going to fire them, thats why he walked away. Trust me, Spurrier isn't the kind of person to just quit, he is far too competative. and said from the beginning, after 3 years if I am still losing then I would walk away my self. Danny left him no choice but to quit. Would you fire the people that you brought on, that you won with in college, that knows you and you system, I dont think so. Joe wouldn't do that. and GW would n't be here if Petibone would have said yes to coming back with all the other guys.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by irish

He left to take the head job in Cincy. It was not about staying in Wash it was about accepting a head coach job which just about every guy coaching in the NFL wants to do.

The point is, Marvin never really said that he was in it for the long haul with Spurrier. Gregg Williams probably could have easily gotten a head coaching job this year if he wanted to.... i.e Cleveland or Miami.....but Williams has said that he wants to stay here and see things through.

[#56fanatic]

I am not pointing at anyone on saying names, but some people are just blind to the way things work in the NFL. It is a business, and if the right job comes open GW will leave for a head coaching job. No way is he going to stay an assistant for 3 more years. His stock is high, and of the two jobs that were open last year, I dont think he was going to get back into the same situation like buffalo. He is one of the most talked about people getting a shot at coaching again. being an assistant is a constant audition for the next Head Coaching position out there. Stop thinking there is some sort of loyalty with the people that come here. Marvin said he was going to see our team through, but left for Cincy, which at the time looked stupid. But how many teams passed over him when he should have been a head coach years before. He had to take the Cincy job, nobody was offering him anything else.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

He quit because Danny wanted him to fire his entire staff. He stuck up for his guys and said he wasn't going to fire them, thats why he walked away. Trust me, Spurrier isn't the kind of person to just quit, he is far too competative. and said from the beginning, after 3 years if I am still losing then I would walk away my self. Danny left him no choice but to quit. Would you fire the people that you brought on, that you won with in college, that knows you and you system, I dont think so. Joe wouldn't do that. and GW would n't be here if Petibone would have said yes to coming back with all the other guys.

But you're comparing apples to oranges. Spurrier's staff was not getting it done in the NFL. Look how the offensive line had completely no protection at all for the quarterback - look how terrible the defense was in Spurrier's last year. It is one thing to have a staff you won with in college, but it is something entirely different to stand up for a staff that has won in the NFL.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I am not pointing at anyone on saying names, but some people are just blind to the way things work in the NFL. It is a business, and if the right job comes open GW will leave for a head coaching job. No way is he going to stay an assistant for 3 more years. His stock is high, and of the two jobs that were open last year, I dont think he was going to get back into the same situation like buffalo. He is one of the most talked about people getting a shot at coaching again. being an assistant is a constant audition for the next Head Coaching position out there. Stop thinking there is some sort of loyalty with the people that come here. Marvin said he was going to see our team through, but left for Cincy, which at the time looked stupid. But how many teams passed over him when he should have been a head coach years before. He had to take the Cincy job, nobody was offering him anything else.

I'm not really sure how we got off on the tangent of Marvin Lewis and Gregg Williams, but what I said cannot be denied as fact. The fact is, Joe Gibbs knows more about picking the right kind of people to surround him on the coaching staff and he's got proof with success. There cannot be any comparision between the two - don't even compare Steve Spurrier in college to Joe Gibbs in the NFL - it's apples and oranges.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm not really sure how we got off on the tangent of Marvin Lewis and Gregg Williams, but what I said cannot be denied as fact. The fact is, Joe Gibbs knows more about picking the right kind of people to surround him on the coaching staff and he's got proof with success. There cannot be any comparision between the two - don't even compare Steve Spurrier in college to Joe Gibbs in the NFL - it's apples and oranges.

I am not comparing the two coaches. It was brought up about Spurrier walking out or quiting on the Redskins. I was pointing out that "the Danny" left him no choice. He said, either you fire all your staff, and take what I give you, Or leave. He stood up for the guys he brought here and left. Just like when Danny decided to fire Norv, danny asked Ray Rhodes to step in and he said no. He was loyal to Norv and wouldn't do that to him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

The point is, Marvin never really said that he was in it for the long haul with Spurrier. Gregg Williams probably could have easily gotten a head coaching job this year if he wanted to.... i.e Cleveland or Miami.....but Williams has said that he wants to stay here and see things through.

If you think GW is hanging around with the skins out of the goodness of his heart or for some larger purpose you are highly mistaken. If memory serves I cant recall his name even being mentioned for any of the jobs you noted (maybe that has to do with his poor performance as Bills head coach). When the right offer comes along GW will thank JG and the redskins for their help and move on.

[MTK]

GW is being paid very well here, so if another team is interested the catch is they're gonna have to top what he's making here to lure him away. How badly other teams are interested is the key question.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by irish

If you think GW is hanging around with the skins out of the goodness of his heart or for some larger purpose you are highly mistaken. If memory serves I cant recall his name even being mentioned for any of the jobs you noted (maybe that has to do with his poor performance as Bills head coach). When the right offer comes along GW will thank JG and the redskins for their help and move on.

So what is your point Irish? How can we compare Spurrier's coaching staff to the coaching Staff Gibbs has had (and has) in the NFL? There is no comparsion.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

So what is your point Irish? How can we compare Spurrier's coaching staff to the coaching Staff Gibbs has had (and has) in the NFL? There is no comparsion.

What I am saying in response to That Guy's post back on page 6 or 7 is that he says no way could OBC have had as good a coach as GW on his staff and what I say is that he had a better one in the form of Marvin Lewis. IMO a comparison of those coaches shows ML to be the better coach. As far as a top to bottom comparison of staffs, I'll give the edge to Gibbs' staff.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

GW is being paid very well here, so if another team is interested the catch is they're gonna have to top what he's making here to lure him away. How badly other teams are interested is the key question.

Marvin Lewis was also paid very well here. In fact he was paid more as an assistant than some head coaches in the league. He was lured away by the prospect of being a head coach. I dont think he would have left for another assistant's job, it was the job title he left for.

If someone offers GW a head coach job it wont matter what the redskins pay, he will go to be the head man.