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[MTK]

VY's rookie year is a joke compared to RG3's, just saying.

[MTK]

If RG had put up last year's numbers as a rookie we would have been pretty pleased. 60% completions, more TDs than INTs.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If RG had put up last year's numbers as a rookie we would have been pretty pleased. 60% completions, more TDs than INTs.

We should also know from experience that a "sophomore slump" doesn't mean anything if the player bounces back.

Cam Newton. I had him written off too because of his attitude and "me, me me, I want to be an entertainer not a QB" comments but he proved everyone wrong.

Griffin DID start slow, which was to be expected. Peterson had a very slow start after his ACL before he want insane later in the year to go for 2000 yards. He'll be back next year, I'm not worried at all. His recovery coupled with the complete collapse of the whole team and coaching staff around him...yeah, he had a pretty good year when you consider everything.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

We should also know from experience that a "sophomore slump" doesn't mean anything if the player bounces back.

Cam Newton. I had him written off too because of his attitude and "me, me me, I want to be an entertainer not a QB" comments but he proved everyone wrong.

Griffin DID start slow, which was to be expected. Peterson had a very slow start after his ACL before he want insane later in the year to go for 2000 yards. He'll be back next year, I'm not worried at all. His recovery coupled with the complete collapse of the whole team and coaching staff around him...yeah, he had a pretty good year when you consider everything.

Sorry to thread-jack and not to call you out for this at all, but this right here is the reason why I hate the media today. Those comments (or more accurately 'not only do I want to be a football player, but I want to be an entertainer and an icon) were given to Peter King in a promotional interview for Under Armour when asked about the endorsement deal. Broadcasters, bloggers and even King himself glommed on to that part of a quote, out of context, and ran with it.

Similar things happened to RG3 with all of the mess this season. People latched onto the negative narrative regardless of who it came from or if it was even valid.

/threadjacking

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by paintrain

sorry to thread-jack and not to call you out for this at all, but this right here is the reason why i hate the media today. Those comments (or more accurately 'not only do i want to be a football player, but i want to be an entertainer and an icon) were given to peter king in a promotional interview for under armour when asked about the endorsement deal. Broadcasters, bloggers and even king himself glommed on to that part of a quote, out of context, and ran with it.

Similar things happened to rg3 with all of the mess this season. People latched onto the negative narrative regardless of who it came from or if it was even valid.

/threadjacking

well said.

[That Guy]

we still had an average offense, a bottom 3 defense and the worst ST unit since the 2000 buffalo bills.

no, he didn't play great, but there are bigger problems than slightly below average QB play.

[calia]

For comparison purposes: Payton Manning's rookie numbers are as follows:

Comp. Pct. 56.7
Yards: 3,739
Yards/Game: 233.7
TDs: 26
INTs: 28
Rating: 71.2

So higher TDs, but a lot more picks too and a lower QB rating (by far) than either RGIII season.

I think folks need to give RGIII a break and see what he can do with a larger body of work (and good health).

[skinsfan69]

People around here are addicted to stats. How many games were there where RG3 was the QB and it was a struggle to get first downs? Green Bay, both Philly games, Denver, KC, San Fran, then he'd get some junk stats when the game was out of hand...he had a down year, he held the ball, he was inaccurate, he looked at one wr and pulled the ball down.... he's young and learning... it happens. The 2013 drama filled year is over. Time for RG3 to work on his craft, get better and move on.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

People around here are addicted to stats. How many games were there where RG3 was the QB and it was a struggle to get first downs? Green Bay, both Philly games, Denver, KC, San Fran, then he'd get some junk stats when the game was out of hand...he had a down year, he held the ball, he was inaccurate, he looked at one wr and pulled the ball down.... he's young and learning... it happens. The 2013 drama filled year is over. Time for RG3 to work on his craft, get better and move on.

IMO that is what RGIII needs to work on most. Too often he was on the move and took his eyes away from downfield, thus thwarting any opportunity for a big pass play.

He can do it. I'll bet we see a different RGIII in Sept. '14.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

People around here are addicted to stats. How many games were there where RG3 was the QB and it was a struggle to get first downs? Green Bay, both Philly games, Denver, KC, San Fran, then he'd get some junk stats when the game was out of hand...he had a down year, he held the ball, he was inaccurate, he looked at one wr and pulled the ball down.... he's young and learning... it happens. The 2013 drama filled year is over. Time for RG3 to work on his craft, get better and move on.

When 80% of the time your offense only ran 2 man routes. It was kinda hard not to stare at one. Especially when the other guy is Alderick Robinson or Hankerson

[skinsfaninok]

Yeah well CK stares down WRs all.day and Is known as the 1 read QB but winning as a team cures all of that. Griffin needs to work on a lot but so does RW, CK and luck

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah well CK stares down WRs all.day and Is known as the 1 read QB but winning as a team cures all of that. Griffin needs to work on a lot but so does RW, CK and luck

Yeah, Kaep is even worse than RGIII at the look-at-one-guy-and-take-off mode. Kaep would drive me crazy if we had him.

[whistler]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah well CK stares down WRs all.day and Is known as the 1 read QB but winning as a team cures all of that. Griffin needs to work on a lot but so does RW, CK and luck

Well said! All these young qb's stare first option, however, first option is usually an open wr. They run slants and rub routes that weren't in the playbook for RG, the offense in 2012 and 13 was an early 90's offense w/heavy read option. SF runs the same sets but they run power, have a top five defense, better receivers, and a functioning Specials Team.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yeah, Kaep is even worse than RGIII at the look-at-one-guy-and-take-off mode. Kaep would drive me crazy if we had him.

Jaws must have been drunk for saying he was going to be one of the greatest , idk what he saw but as far as a pure passer there just is no way. He's not the passer RG or RW are that's for sure

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Jaws must have been drunk for saying he was going to be one of the greatest , idk what he saw but as far as a pure passer there just is no way. He's not the passer RG or RW are that's for sure

Wilson is not a great passer. Look at his stats and remember that he has an offensive line and defense too.

Half his games are in the 40-50% completion rate range and the others are around 70%. He's not reliable and he's never asked to throw for more than 200 yards a game.