Lost Some Faith In Shanahan

[sdskinsfan2001]

I'll just say I believe Shanny had the final call and didn't make it. But I'm moving on past the hostile blaming.

I'm now in the "please God whatever is wrong with his knee, please let it be fixed to where we can have our franchise qb back playing at 100%" boat. Thats whether its the 1st game next season, after he comes off the PUP list, hell I can even wait till 2014 if that guarantees him to be 100%. I have faith in Cousins and in Shanny/Allen to keep building up our roster. Thank you Shanny for picking 2 qbs in this draft!!!

[Monkeydad]

Are all football forums filled with a bunch of drama queens like this?

Week 1 - Shanahan better get the job done this year.
Week 3 - Looks like Shanahan has turned the team around.
Week 5 - Shanahan is losing this team!
Week 7 - Shanahan has lost this team!
Week 9 - Fire Shanahan!
Week 11 - Maybe Shanahan is smarter than we thought!
Week 13 - Shanahan is saving his job!
Week 17 - Shanahan is a genius! What a bright future he's brought to us!
The next week - I've lost faith in Shanahan! I'm selling my RGIII jersey that has only hung in my closet all year!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Are all football forums filled with a bunch of drama queens like this?

Week 1 - Shanahan better get the job done this year.
Week 3 - Looks like Shanahan has turned the team around.
Week 5 - Shanahan is losing this team!
Week 7 - Shanahan has lost this team!
Week 9 - Fire Shanahan!
Week 11 - Maybe Shanahan is smarter than we thought!
Week 13 - Shanahan is saving his job!
Week 17 - Shanahan is a genius! What a bright future he's brought to us!
The next week - I've lost faith in Shanahan! I'm selling my RGIII jersey that has only hung in my closet all year!

Life of the average NFL fan.


Funny, but some Seattle fans were calling the game over after being down 14-0. I had to check out their forums to see how they react (or overreact) to adversity. Same as some of our fans....lol

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Are all football forums filled with a bunch of drama queens like this?

Week 1 - Shanahan better get the job done this year.
Week 3 - Looks like Shanahan has turned the team around.
Week 5 - Shanahan is losing this team!
Week 7 - Shanahan has lost this team!
Week 9 - Fire Shanahan!
Week 11 - Maybe Shanahan is smarter than we thought!
Week 13 - Shanahan is saving his job!
Week 17 - Shanahan is a genius! What a bright future he's brought to us!
The next week - I've lost faith in Shanahan! I'm selling my RGIII jersey that has only hung in my closet all year!

We do have the best Arm chair quarterbacks in the league..

[Counter-Tre]

Forget whether or not anyone knew the extent of RGIII's at the time - they should have pulled him because he couldn't perform anymore! If he was hobbling around hurt but still making plays despite it all, that's one thing, but he couldn't do shit! Anyway, I hope the guy is able to recover and doesn't come back until he's 100%.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Counter-Tre

Forget whether or not anyone knew the extent of RGIII's at the time - they should have pulled him because he couldn't perform anymore! If he was hobbling around hurt but still making plays despite it all, that's one thing, but he couldn't do shit! Anyway, I hope the guy is able to recover and doesn't come back until he's 100%.

This poster is 100% right, IMO. It seems to me that, since RGIII was not performing well and there was clearly the risk of further injury to his knee if he were to remain in the game, it was practically a no brainer to pull him.

When asked about not pulling RGIII by the Press, Mike Shanahan mentioned other injured players who also were on the field. No offense to any of those other players, but RGIII is no ordinary player. He is the most talented and dynamic Redskins QB I have ever seen - and I've seen them all since Eddie LeBaron. IMO Shanahan stupidly rolled the dice not just on one playoff game but also on the future of the franchise - and he may have lost both.

I'm po'ed about RGIII's injury because there was no good reason for him to be on the field when it happened.

[Defensewins]

Why the blame game? A football player was hurt playing football. This has happened before. Players have played with worse injury than the one RGIII had after Ravens game.
Shanahan had RGIII take an MRI test, had him cheeked by doctors and rested him for a game after that injury. As a matter fact I remember RGIII saying he was ready to go for the Cleveland game and it was SHANAHAN that made the choice to rest him. This subject has gone beyond over analyzed.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Why the blame game? A football player was hurt playing football. This has happened before. Players have played with worse injury than the one RGIII had after Ravens game.
Shanahan had RGIII take an MRI test, had him cheeked by doctors and rested him for a game after that injury. As a matter fact I remember RGIII saying he was ready to go for the Cleveland game and it was SHANAHAN that made the choice to rest him. This subject has gone beyond over analyzed.

Not sure, but most people don't have issues with Mike starting RGIII this game or the previous ones as well. I think the issue is when he didn't take him out after he reinjured the knee in the first quarter.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I keep hearing RGIII was the best option, and that was CLEARLY the thinking...because Alfred Morris (that guy who was running for chunks of yards in the 1st quarter) was barely seen the rest of the game. That, to me, was the worst part of all of this.

I don't have enough information to blame Shanny for leaving RGIII in the game, but damn, for Alfred to only get five touches in the second half was ridiculuous...sometimes I think they have the tendency to overthink things and end up outsmarting themselves...

[LRT]

I don't post a lot here (or anywhere, really) but lurk frequently. I've been reading a lot of criticism of Shanahan and RGIII in the media (I made the mistake of looking at the comments on an ESPN article - uggh) and it reminded me of something Teddy Roosevelt said.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - Teddy Roosevelt

[BigHairedAristocrat]

To me, the discussion surrounding what Shanahan should and should not have done with RGIII during the game is really divided into two seperate categories:

1) Should RGIII have been removed from the game at some point to protect his health?
2) Should he have been removed from the game at some point due to his poor performance?

Regarding #1) The more information that comes out about the injury RGIII suffered vs. Baltimore, and how he's performed since, I think the Redskins completely mismanaged the situation. He shouldnt have been cleared to play until his knee was strong enough to play without the brace. You can argue that if he can play with the brace, you play him with the brace, but Sunday proved the error of that logic. By all appearances, RGIII suffered the knee injury because the brace slipped out of place. If its possible a brace can slip out of place during normal gameplay, then it doesnt offer sufficent protection. If he can't play without the brace, he shouldnt play at all.

Regarding #2), I have changed my opinion on this. During the game, i was screaming for Robert to be benched for ineffectivenes. And i felt rightly so. He couldnt run, he couldnt plant his foot, so he couldnt throw accurately... he was essentially useless. Kirk Cousins showed how effective he could be - starting Cousins seemed to give us the best chance to win.

After a few days of thinking about it, i've completely changed my mind on this argument. RGIII is not just a starting quarterback. He's our FRANCHISE quarterback. Just like Tom Brady, Just like Aaron Rodgers, Just like Peyton Manning. You dont bench a franchise quarterback because he's ineffective. It doesnt matter if its a regular season game, a playoff game, or the superbowl. You just dont do it. If you do, you undermine the leader of your team and the face of your franchise... not just to the fans, but more importantly, to his teammates. RGIII got this team to the playoffs - you dont bench him for performance. He's not Alex Smith. He's not Mark Sanchez. Bench those guys - they are "just guys." RGIII is our Tom Brady. All of you who think he should have been benched for performance, including BHA of 2 days ago, are dead wrong.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

To me, the discussion surrounding what Shanahan should and should not have done with RGIII during the game is really divided into two seperate categories:

1) Should RGIII have been removed from the game at some point to protect his health?
2) Should he have been removed from the game at some point due to his poor performance?

Regarding #1) The more information that comes out about the injury RGIII suffered vs. Baltimore, and how he's performed since, I think the Redskins completely mismanaged the situation. He shouldnt have been cleared to play until his knee was strong enough to play without the brace. You can argue that if he can play with the brace, you play him with the brace, but Sunday proved the error of that logic. By all appearances, RGIII suffered the knee injury because the brace slipped out of place. If its possible a brace can slip out of place during normal gameplay, then it doesnt offer sufficent protection. If he can't play without the brace, he shouldnt play at all.

Regarding #2), I have changed my opinion on this. During the game, i was screaming for Robert to be benched for ineffectivenes. And i felt rightly so. He couldnt run, he couldnt plant his foot, so he couldnt throw accurately... he was essentially useless. Kirk Cousins showed how effective he could be - starting Cousins seemed to give us the best chance to win.

After a few days of thinking about it, i've completely changed my mind on this argument. RGIII is not just a starting quarterback. He's our FRANCHISE quarterback. Just like Tom Brady, Just like Aaron Rodgers, Just like Peyton Manning. You dont bench a franchise quarterback because he's ineffective. It doesnt matter if its a regular season game, a playoff game, or the superbowl. You just dont do it. If you do, you undermine the leader of your team and the face of your franchise... not just to the fans, but more importantly, to his teammates. RGIII got this team to the playoffs - you dont bench him for performance. He's not Alex Smith. He's not Mark Sanchez. Bench those guys - they are "just guys." RGIII is our Tom Brady. All of you who think he should have been benched for performance, including BHA of 2 days ago, are dead wrong.

Yes, but he was ineffective because he knee was hanging by a thread. Everyone saw it. Benching him keeps him out of harms way AND gives us the best chance to win. It's not like he was 100% healthy and just having an off day. If that was the case, of course you don't take him out.

[milellie111]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yes, but he was ineffective because he knee was hanging by a thread. Everyone saw it. Benching him keeps him out of harms way AND gives us the best chance to win. It's not like he was 100% healthy and just having an off day. If that was the case, of course you don't take him out.

Exactly GMScud. Exactly!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yes, but he was ineffective because he knee was hanging by a thread. Everyone saw it. Benching him keeps him out of harms way AND gives us the best chance to win. It's not like he was 100% healthy and just having an off day. If that was the case, of course you don't take him out.

You're combining two arguments that, in my mind, are competely seperate.

From a health perspective, I dont think RGIII should have played to begin with. He should have been inactive. However, since Shanahan decided to start him, at that point, you stick with him just like you would if he were 100% healthy. You only remove him if an injury that prevents him from playing.

[milellie111]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You're combining two arguments that, in my mind, are competely seperate.

From a health perspective, I dont think RGIII should have played to begin with. He should have been inactive. However, since Shanahan decided to start him, at that point, you stick with him just like you would if he were 100% healthy. You only remove him if an injury that prevents him from playing.

??
Both of those arguments are related to each other. It is simple. RG3 could not run, neither could he plant his feet to make effective throws because he WAS NOT healthy. His inefectiveness was due to him being injured.