ESPN's Schefter channels his energy into NFL

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

I feel like i've seen you type this about 238 times already

well the alternative has been posted 238 times by about 45 different people

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

I feel like i've seen you type this about 238 times already

You're watching me type? Are you the angel on my shoulder...or the devil?

And it's only been 224 times

[mredskins]

Here is a question and I don't know how measurable it is. Lets say this draft class had Sanchez, Stafford, Bradford, and Clausen who would go first out of the 4?

Seems like every year there is some great QB coming out and then they fizzle.

Look at it this way when Lebron James came out he was a shore fire good pick, are any of these QBs that shore fire?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Here is a question and I don't know how measurable it is. Lets say this draft class had Sanchez, Stafford, Bradford, and Clausen who would go first out of the 4?

Seems like every year there is some great QB coming out and then they fizzle.

Look at it this way when Lebron James came out he was a shore fire good pick, are any of these QBs that shore fire?

I don't know that any QB is ever "sure fire" in the draft. Many questions surrounded even Peyton Manning as part of the draft process.

[freddyg12]

Much of this thread goes back to Vinny's line: "best player available."

I mean we are all opinionated on the players & the positions, but this team is not in a position to draft for a couple of needs & suddenly become a contender. There are several holes to fill.

That said, I see the #4 pick being whoever is highest on the team's board, give or take a couple of slots. I don't see them picking Berry. With Haslet on board, it makes Suh (best in draft) less likely if he's available doesn't it? I see him as a 3 technique DT. Maybe if we got him, Haslett would stick w/the 4-3? I know we can't assume he wants to run a 3-4.

As for ArtMonkinHall; drafting a qb in the late rounds makes perfect sense. Drafting a qb anywhere makes sense for that matter. Colt was drafted in the 6th because we needed a young backup & they liked him. If Collins is gone this year the team will need another backup at least. (I wish we could get Daniel back)

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't know that any QB is ever "sure fire" in the draft. Many questions surrounded even Peyton Manning as part of the draft process.

Yeah, many scouts, if not most, had Leaf rated higher for his arm strength. The last consensus #1 QB pick I can remember was MIchael Vick. Even if he hadn't gotten in legal trouble, I think people would still debate his status as a franchise qb. (he did help them sell a hell of a lot of tickets in ATL though)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Yeah, many scouts, if not most, had Leaf rated higher for his arm strength. The last consensus #1 QB pick I can remember was MIchael Vick. Even if he hadn't gotten in legal trouble, I think people would still debate his status as a franchise qb. (he did help them sell a hell of a lot of tickets in ATL though)

Funny thing is even with Vick the Chargers traded out of that pick

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Here is a question and I don't know how measurable it is. Lets say this draft class had Sanchez, Stafford, Bradford, and Clausen who would go first out of the 4?

Seems like every year there is some great QB coming out and then they fizzle.

Look at it this way when Lebron James came out he was a shore fire good pick, are any of these QBs that shore fire?

Thats called the media for you. They want people to watch the pre-draft shows, read pre-draft articles, etc. and anticipate the draft so they can get people to view more ads, etc. This is a very uninpressive QB class. even the media isn't overly excited about any of those guys, so that should tell us something. Not a one of them is worth a top 10 pick. but because of the premium put on the position, atleast 2 of them will probably be drafted there.

if there was ever a draft to trade down in, this is it. hopefully there will be an elite player at a position some team needs really bad and we can find a partner.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Funny thing is even with Vick the Chargers traded out of that pick

yeah, they made up for drafting Leaf by doing that trade & getting LT/not getting vick.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Thats called the media for you. They want people to watch the pre-draft shows, read pre-draft articles, etc. and anticipate the draft so they can get people to view more ads, etc. This is a very uninpressive QB class. even the media isn't overly excited about any of those guys, so that should tell us something. Not a one of them is worth a top 10 pick. but because of the premium put on the position, atleast 2 of them will probably be drafted there.

if there was ever a draft to trade down in, this is it. hopefully there will be an elite player at a position some team needs really bad and we can find a partner.

Pretty much what I thought about the media. So many guys are hyped that never pan out.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

yeah, they made up for drafting Leaf by doing that trade & getting LT/not getting vick.

and Brees and Nate Kaeding (of course they didn't get much out of Brees in the long run)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I still dont understand why SD just let Brees walk. I'd be pissed if the skins had a franchise-type player and they just let him walk for no compensation.

[over the mountain]

brees was injured or coming off injury. i lived in SD during brees tenure there and the fans werent all that high on him even though i watched the guy make plays and win games for them when they had zero identity on offense.

i think with his size, alot of people in SD viewed brees as a doug flutie type; a gamer but his size limited him from elevating his level of play to something elite.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

brees was injured or coming off injury. i lived in SD during brees tenure there and the fans werent all that high on him even though i watched the guy make plays and win games for them when they had zero identity on offense.

i think with his size, alot of people in SD viewed brees as a doug flutie type; a gamer but his size limited him from elevating his level of play to something elite.

i remember that, but thats just the thing - SD had an inaccurate view of brees when they were the ones who had the most intel on him. the contract he signed with NO was pretty substantial. i sure wish we had gone after him.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

If I recall correctly, SD drafted Rivers (Manning) the year they let Brees go (after he injured his shoulder). IMO, they did the right thing.