Campbell's numbers dont lie

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

First sentence OK, second sentence dead on, third sentence is not accurate. He's NOT a bright spot. If he stepped up and won us a game, then yes, I'd say he was, but he disappeared when we needed him most. Don't know why Campbell's lease is sooooo long when others have had no leash at all.

Didn't Brandon Lloyd last two years on this team? Now there's a guy who actually never accomplished anything.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Didn't Brandon Lloyd last two years on this team? Now there's a guy who actually never accomplished anything.

We didn't rely on Lloyd though...he was a non factor while Campbell touches the ball on every offensive play. That's a really weak arguement.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

First sentence OK, second sentence dead on, third sentence is not accurate. He's NOT a bright spot. If he stepped up and won us a game, then yes, I'd say he was, but he disappeared when we needed him most. Don't know why Campbell's lease is sooooo long when others have had no leash at all.

Funny how you'll go to the numbers until they don't support your argument. Then they are worthless.

Matty's using fact-based assertions and you aren't. You can't tell him he's wrong.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Funny how you'll go to the numbers until they don't support your argument. Then they are worthless.

Matty's using fact-based assertions and you aren't. You can't tell him he's wrong.

How are my comments not fact based? Am I mistaken at the fact that he disappears when we need him most? That he is no where to be found in the redzone? That he leads the league with 5 fumbles? Those are all facts sir. Saying that Campbell is a bright spot is NOT fact based. It's opinion based.

ps- when numbers actually prove a point, then they are good and worthy, when they are used to skew reality, they are not worthy. We both know numbers show things, but they don't show everything. Again...see Mark Brunell.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

How are my comments not fact based? Am I mistaken at the fact that he disappears when we need him most? That he is no where to be found in the redzone? That he leads the league with 5 fumbles? Those are all facts sir. Saying that Campbell is a bright spot is NOT fact based. It's opinion based.

ps- when numbers actually prove a point, then they are good and worthy, when they are used to skew reality, they are not worthy. We both know numbers show things, but they don't show everything. Again...see Mark Brunell.

Yes, you are mistaken. And not in spite of your refusal to go to the passing numbers.

The fumbles are a major issue. A MAJOR issue. And I'll credit you for going to that (a statistic) to defend your case. But without Campbell's passing efficiency, this team would have NO wins, and a good half of football from the defense against St. Louis away from being the worst team in football.

Campbell is more or less the difference between us and the Browns right now. And remember that I'm a pretty big Quinn fan.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

First sentence OK, second sentence dead on, third sentence is not accurate. He's NOT a bright spot. If he stepped up and won us a game, then yes, I'd say he was, but he disappeared when we needed him most. Don't know why Campbell's lease is sooooo long when others have had no leash at all.

I think changes need to be made if the offense keeps up the lack of scoring. If that means putting in Collins then so be it. He gets the ball out quicker so maybe that wouldn't be such a bad idea.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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I think changes need to be made if the offense keeps up the lack of scoring. If that means putting in Collins then so be it. He gets the ball out quicker so maybe that wouldn't be such a bad idea.

People that think Collins would do a better job than Campbell right now are smoking something. For starters, Collins' mobility resembles that of an 80 year old woman, and our O-line leaks like an old faucet. Against a half decent pass rush, Collins may leave the field in an ambulance.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GMScud

People that think Collins would do a better job than Campbell right now are smoking something. For starters, Collins' mobility resembles that of an 80 year old woman, and our O-line leaks like an old faucet. Against a half decent pass rush, Collins may leave the field in an ambulance.

Agree 100%...so bring on Colt!

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by GMScud

People that think Collins would do a better job than Campbell right now are smoking something. For starters, Collins' mobility resembles that of an 80 year old woman, and our O-line leaks like an old faucet. Against a half decent pass rush, Collins may leave the field in an ambulance.

They still remember when Collins won a few games that got us to the playoffs and we lost to the Seahawks. If Collins has to play we are up a creek without a paddle. He has no arm strength to throw the ball deep , I guess thats ok since we dont go deep much. I do no this he is fragile as a bull in a china shop. A career backup vs JC please you people must be on a real Hatters trip on JC.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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I think changes need to be made if the offense keeps up the lack of scoring. If that means putting in Collins then so be it. He gets the ball out quicker so maybe that wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Thats an idiotic idea, is this really Jim Zorn? One of the only guys on the team, and a captain at that, having a decent season, and you wanna scrap him for a guy that will retire at seasons end. Thats not exactly the way to "rebuild" now is it? Campbell is doing a good job for the cards he has been dealt. Lets get a real offensive coordinator and see what Campbell can do with some real playcalls.

[Patfisher37]

It's not about the stats my friend is about the Wins and Losses in this league. You can be like Danny Marino, the most prolific passer in the NFL, but how many Super Bowls did he win with all those stats, and Dan had a heart of a Lion, he was gutsy and fearless, but our boy Jason, God bless his soul, because he is a good guy at heart, doesn't have the intangibles to lead or make a play when they needed the most. Look what the old man farve did yesterday with the same scenario. He made the throw that got them the win, yes the receiver made one heck of a catch, but it's called the Winners touch, you either have it or you don't! It can't be couched, it's born in you.

It could've been real ugly yesterday if the DB doesn't drop the pick for a clear touchdown, if Heyer doesn't kick the ball back to Jason when the Ghost knocked the ball out of his hands, when he dropped another fumble at the five and it bounced back to him and made a nice throw to Moss....they guy had sweating palms, that's called lack of confidence and the wheeby-geeby's.....You can't win in this league playing scared!

We need to find us a winner, with a backbone!

[MTK]

Build a strong team from the inside out and you won't have to worry about finding the next superstar QB who has to win you games on his arm alone.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Build a strong team from the inside out and you won't have to worry about finding the next superstar QB who has to win you games on his arm alone.

Do you think we've done that?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Build a strong team from the inside out and you won't have to worry about finding the next superstar QB who has to win you games on his arm alone.

Nice Matty...I agree with you here man.

It's good to hear people talk about building a foundation upon fundementals like these.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Build a strong team from the inside out and you won't have to worry about finding the next superstar QB who has to win you games on his arm alone.

You lie...what a crazy idea!