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[CRedskinsRule]

It does seem like BA is becoming Vinny lite

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[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It does seem like BA is becoming Vinny lite

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Can you explain this post? BA is nothing like Vinny.

[skinsfan69]

I'd say that Allen does need to come out and say something to the fans and season ticket holders. The season ticket holders are in essence Snyder's customers and they deserve to know what direction the team is going in. This constant silence is just some Mickey Mouse bullshit. Actually Allen was on Redskin Nation, and the Tennessee radio station. He's too much of a pussy to take questions from Washington media.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Can you explain this post? BA is nothing like Vinny.

I can try. It may be more a gut feeling than a one to one comparison. The issues with Vinny that I remember were:

Yes man to DS,
Abrasive personality,
poor talent evaluator,
egotistical and underhanded with both players and coaches.
favored yes men and "superstar" talent

Bruce seems to be a bit of a yes man/DS stooge.
His personality isn't abrasive, but it also seems to be passive aggresive,
at least with QB's (ask Chico) he is 0 for how many,
imo, he comes off as egotistical and underhanded (remember the winning the offseason quote)
I think a team building the best players would have signed KC using the FT as the leverage. I think a team building the best players would have released Hall at this point. I think a team building the best players would have released RG3 instead letting ego win the day.

He's not as abrasive. I think he is a little more deceitful. And he's may be managing to eff up a team that was looking up. (maybe he's not, and I will accept that if they get past their use of leaks and innuendo to disparage those that who disagree with them)

Hence Vinny Light.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I can try. It may be more a gut feeling than a one to one comparison. The issues with Vinny that I remember were:

Yes man to DS,
Abrasive personality,
poor talent evaluator,
egotistical and underhanded with both players and coaches.
favored yes men and "superstar" talent

Bruce seems to be a bit of a yes man/DS stooge.
His personality isn't abrasive, but it also seems to be passive aggresive,
at least with QB's (ask Chico) he is 0 for how many,
imo, he comes off as egotistical and underhanded (remember the winning the offseason quote)
I think a team building the best players would have signed KC using the FT as the leverage. I think a team building the best players would have released Hall at this point. I think a team building the best players would have released RG3 instead letting ego win the day.

He's not as abrasive. I think he is a little more deceitful. And he's may be managing to eff up a team that was looking up. (maybe he's not, and I will accept that if they get past their use of leaks and innuendo to disparage those that who disagree with them)

Hence Vinny Light.

Hold judgement until after the draft and really after the 2017 season ends til you say Bruce is effing up the team. Scot's last draft sort of sucked. I agree the FA season thus far is a mixed bag, but he hasn't wrecked anything... yet.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

According to Mike Jones, McC views Kirks ceiling as somewhere less than elite. Of course Kirk doesnt like that, was feeling a little emotional after that great game he'd just had and wanted to rub it in

I can't blame Scot for his evaluation of Kirk. Michigan State is known for being a really good backup QB factory for the NFL. 2017 is going to be very interesting. Without his vet receivers around he will have to deal with all youngsters, with Crowder being the only one that has proven himself to be able to be a starter. I am hoping Harris steps it up. Doctson is still a big question mark. I am thinking that we will draft another wr for insurance. If Kirk does well, I think he will definitely shut up all the doubters, as he can thrive with a young wr corp. I don't like what the organization did with Scot, but it is a done deal, and he isn't coming back. It will be quiet and boring at Redskin Park and in the forum til draft day.

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

I can't blame Scot for his evaluation of Kirk. Michigan State is known for being a really good backup QB factory for the NFL. 2017 is going to be very interesting. Without his vet receivers around he will have to deal with all youngsters, with Crowder being the only one that has proven himself to be able to be a starter. I am hoping Harris steps it up. Doctson is still a big question mark. I am thinking that we will draft another wr for insurance. If Kirk does well, I think he will definitely shut up all the doubters, as he can thrive with a young wr corp. I don't like what the organization did with Scot, but it is a done deal, and he isn't coming back. It will be quiet and boring at Redskin Park and in the forum til draft day.

whoa....what the heck are you trying to sell us?

You want us to NOT overreact, until we give something time to run it's course?

Seriously, though....good post.
I don't know what to think of McClain & McGee yet. I don't think we need superstars or Pro Bowlers to improve over last year.

If they can stop the run effectively & maintain their area, we have some decent edge rushers that might make things work out overall.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

whoa....what the heck are you trying to sell us?

You want us to NOT overreact, until we give something time to run it's course?

Seriously, though....good post.
I don't know what to think of McClain & McGee yet. I don't think we need superstars or Pro Bowlers to improve over last year.

If they can stop the run effectively & maintain their area, we have some decent edge rushers that might make things work out overall.

No, why overreact when the deal is done. Also the bit about MSU QBs is spot on. Kirk is the only one that has earned a starting role and kept it. Back in 2015 if I was the GM, I would have still been hesitant to give Kirk a big offer as well knowing the MSU history and also the fact that the rest of the division was just as banged up or worse than we were. If 2016 was Kirk's ceiling we are in decent shape, just have to make sure to always have shiny new weapons for Kirk to throw to and a line that keeps him nice and comfy!!!!!! Can't say Bruce Allen fucked up with just the Scot McC fiasco, as we will never know what really went down. Especially since Gruden might have played a big factor in it as well. So just strap yourself into your lazy boy this season and let it ride. I mean, what other choice do you have, unless you want to ditch the team.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

Hold judgement until after the draft and really after the 2017 season ends til you say Bruce is effing up the team. Scot's last draft sort of sucked. I agree the FA season thus far is a mixed bag, but he hasn't wrecked anything... yet.

Yeah, he's only had 7 years with the team, not to mention the countless years with the Raiders and Bucs. But it's real easy to say he hasn't had his fair chance if you blame everything on Shanahan and McCloughan.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yeah, he's only had 7 years with the team, not to mention the countless years with the Raiders and Bucs. But it's real easy to say he hasn't had his fair chance if you blame everything on Shanahan and McCloughan.

One constant in the mix since 2000 and that is
Snyder. If Snyder wants a toadie, he will get a toadie. Blaming the toadie is exactly why
Snyder keeps them around. When
I say give Allen till the end of next season,
I am talking about whether or not getting rid of
Scot was a disaster. You guys are total masochists anyway.

[Evilgrin]

Allen has overseen a ton of terrible drafts already. They goofed things up with the Qb, who would be signed under market value right now. It does take two though, Snyder is always the larger problem.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

One constant in the mix since 2000 and that is
Snyder. If Snyder wants a toadie, he will get a toadie. Blaming the toadie is exactly why
Snyder keeps them around. When
I say give Allen till the end of next season,
I am talking about whether or not getting rid of
Scot was a disaster. You guys are total masochists anyway.

If you are saying we are doomed because Snyder is in charge, I agree. There is no hope. However, I will still be here, bitching and moaning, because if I left I'd have to fill a void that's been in my life for over a decade. I don't want to do that.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Allen has overseen a ton of terrible drafts already. They goofed things up with the Qb, who would be signed under market value right now. It does take two though, Snyder is always the larger problem.

This is unfair. We do not know if KC would have signed an extension. This is all speculation.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Allen has overseen a ton of terrible drafts already. They goofed things up with the Qb, who would be signed under market value right now. It does take two though, Snyder is always the larger problem.

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

This is unfair. We do not know if KC would have signed an extension. This is all speculation.

Pretty accurate speculation, are you trying to tell me if they never franchised Kirk and signed him before the 2016 season to a long term deal he would not have been under contract for less than $24 mil a year which is probably his current market rate?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Pretty accurate speculation, are you trying to tell me if they never franchised Kirk and signed him before the 2016 season to a long term deal he would not have been under contract for less than $24 mil a year which is probably his current market rate?

You make it sound as if Cousins has to sign a contract offered to him. What makes you think he wouldn't have bet on himself? I think he's right, there's no way to know whether Cousins would have taken it.