Campbell's numbers dont lie

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Shaun Suisham wants to know why you're a hater

In 2007, Todd Collins and Shaun Suisham.

At least Hunter Smith has scored a touchdown.

[Trample the Elderly]

Soup is done. Whine about him and his effing numbers if you want. He's done. Gone! Just like Jimbo. Packs your bags buddy!

Is it his fault? Does it really effing matter now as far as he's concerned?

The only thing right about this whole situation is that we stopped playing musical chairs with the QB. We played Soup out and he's done. Kaput! Over, Nada, El Zippo.

Get over it.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Soup is done. Whine about him and his effing numbers if you want. He's done. Gone! Just like Jimbo. Packs your bags buddy!

Is it his fault? Does it really effing matter now as far as he's concerned?

The only thing right about this whole situation is that we stopped playing musical chairs with the QB. We played Soup out and he's done. Kaput! Over, Nada, El Zippo.

Get over it.

I think you're confused on what the definition of whining is. I've seen a lot of internet whining in my day, but statistical analysis and critical thinking really doesn't qualify.

Thanks for playing.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by dgack

I think you're confused on what the definition of whining is. I've seen a lot of internet whining in my day, but statistical analysis and critical thinking really doesn't qualify.

Thanks for playing.

Don't get too upset, that's a typical Trample post.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Bozzy

It really doesn't matter. No QB has a chance with our piss poor O-line. No way to sugarcoat it. The O-Line is garbage. Not one quality player. Campbell or Collins, they don't have time to do anything.

How would Brett Favre be doing behind our line?

It all starts up front.

Which is MORE of a reason to use the QB who is a very mobile, excellent runner...who also has the stronger arm of the two.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

Campbell's most important number is 4-10 over his past 14 starts. Time to try something different.

This isn't baseball where individual players have win-loss records.

That's Zorn's record.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

As I pointed out last week, he's got a higher YPA than Brady, McNabb, Cutler, Warner & Palmer. Seriously, it's sad how misinformed his detractors are.

You really put JC in the same sentence with Brady, McNadd, Warner & Palmer?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by dgack

I think you're confused on what the definition of whining is. I've seen a lot of internet whining in my day, but statistical analysis and critical thinking really doesn't qualify.

Thanks for playing.

Nice try. It still doesn't change the fact that he's DONE.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Nice try. It still doesn't change the fact that he's DONE.

Again, I think you're confused about reality. I have no delusions that posting analysis on an internet message board is going to help Jason Campbell keep his job.

But hey, I'm glad you're so happy about it. At least you'll be in a better mood than the rest of us while this team loses out and then proceeds to "win the offseason" next year.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't think the WCO is the issue, I just think that this is what we've built. Last year (first five games), we had five good or great players on offense: Kendall, Samuels, Portis, Campbell, and Cooley. As the year went on, Samuels and Portis became ineffective players for one reason or another, and that left us with three. Kendall walked in the offseason (he was probably having a career year anyway), and we replaced him, shrewedly, but with a mediocre Dockery.

You made a lot of great points and I agreed with most of it except what you said here. With 5 undisputedly "good" (not great) players on offense last year we should have been much better than we were. This year, we've lost a couple of those guys and others have declined. However, I think one of the key problems with our entire offense is that we don't have the right personnel to run it. Like it or not, Campbell is simply not suited to be a WCO Quarterback. Can he do it - sure. Any QB can play the WCO if he has to - but the key is he can't do it well. Then there's Portis, who has bulked up from his denver days and is a power runner, he's not explosive and not a great pass-catcher either - not the right type of feature back for a WCO. And we can complain all we want about how bad our O-line is, because it is bad, but its not the right type of offensive line to run a WCO. Even when healthy, the line wasnt light or agile enough to run the WCO effectively.

When it boils down to it, Vinny and Danny made a huge mistake by hiring a WCO coach and not replacing the current offensive personnel. As a result, they've wasted two years of everyones time and wasted alot of potential.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Nice try. It still doesn't change the fact that he's DONE.

Another thorough and fact-based argument!

Seriously, you base your debates on emotions and personal opinions.




What makes you say "he's DONE"?

Have you even looked at the stats you attack with your stubborn anti-Campbell arguments?

What makes you think that a new playcaller can't help the QB? Even if Sherman is not the greatest playcaller, at least we'll be running different plays instead of the same, scripted scheme we've failed with nearly every week this season.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Like it or not, Campbell is simply not suited to be a WCO Quarterback. Can he do it - sure. Any QB can play the WCO if he has to - but the key is he can't do it well.

An undefeated season (should have been a National Champonship) at Auburn says otherwise.

I see a lot of talent and physical ability with Campbell, even signs of leadership forming after being so shy and business-like in earlier years.

He's obviously being held back by poor playcalling and personnel decisions, mainly regarding the offensive line, or lack of. You can see it clearly. As the line breaks down over the year, and last season also, his numbers begin to decline. Also, as other teams figure out Zorn's playcalls as the season progresses and we become more predictable, both this year and last year, his performances can't possibly improve.

When protected and in a good offensive scheme, he excels.

[dgack]

I'm a big fan of Jason Campbell (the man, not necessarily the job he has done this season) and even I think it's pretty obvious he is done here in D.C.

The best case scenario for him is that Sherman Hemsley (err Lewis? or is it Smith? I forget) just whispers into Jason's headset "let it fly, kid" and they go out and put on a show. Even still, unless they win out against vastly superior opponents to the cupcakes they've faced thus far, there's no way this team makes the playoffs. And no playoffs means Jason is done here.

I still think he'll go elsewhere and play well next year. I'm certainly willing to admit that because of his personal qualities, I want him to find success -- and maybe that clouds my objectivity -- but I find the constant chant of "this kid isn't good enough" from all the media types is just too easy.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Buster

This isn't baseball where individual players have win-loss records.

That's Zorn's record.

You don't think QBs are judged by their W-L record? Hmmm. They get too much credit and too much blame, but as the field leader, that's the name of the game.

[Trample the Elderly]

No way. There is nothing that I would want to see more than Soup hold up that Lombardy Trophy up and prove everyone wrong. The man has class. He might be a good QB for another team. He might be a good back up like Collins. Al Synderatto ruined him the minute he hired Jimbo. He's done though. Even that duffus Jimbo knows that. As for his numbers, eff statistics! As a man smarter than myself once said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statisitics." I think it was Twain but don't hold me to that.

I came to the realization that this was coming on like, week one. This is funny to me. What else can you do but laugh? They haven't earned any more of my anger. They deserve my ridicule and spite. Except for the Defense, I've no love for this team, especially the grifter in chief. Suing an old lady? Man eff you. A pox on your house. And that's from the heart.

It does give me pleasure to see Danny cry. Because even though my anger has been replaced with humor, cynicism, and indifference, I know Snyder is up in his suite shitting his britches. When Phat All lays on his back in the middle of the field, in every game, I laugh my ass off. It makes me feel really good knowing that King Douche feels so bad.