Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

[MTK]

Jay Gruden at the Wizards game

[whistler]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Orakpo stays, no question

Are you serious? I'm done with the Orakpo experiment! The team is 3-13 nobody is beyond reproach. If they can use Jackson/Jenkins combo until one proves a starter or use the draft to get a hybrid OLB (due to the combo 4-3, 3-4 that they run) they'll be fine.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Not so fast my friend...

Rack is not even the best linebacker on this team. I took a look on the NFL stats Lab and compared him first to the linebackers on our team. Brian only had 10 sacks, 1 Interception, 0 FF and 60 tackles. Kerrigan had 9 sacks, 0 ints, 4 forced fumbles, and 66 tackles in a year where Kerrigan admitted that he was hurt.

Ryan Kerrigan to have minor surgery; talks 4-3 - ESPN

Now let's compare Rack to the best player at his position this year... Robert Quinn had 19 sacks 7 Forced Fumbles and 57 Tackles. The second best ranked free agent at the same position is Jason Worilds. He had 64 tackles, 8 sacks and 2 FF. That is not much of a drop off, also Jason is two years younger.

We could also target Michael Johnson who excelled at OLB in a 3-4 system in 2012.

All this to say that we don't need to overpay Brian Orakpo. I would argue that Perry Riley is a more important sign than Rack. Riley is our leading tackler and averaged 79.8 tackles over his four year span on the team.

Ugh. Educate yourself please. Robert Quinn is a completely invalid comparison, he's a 4-3 DE. Meaning he rushes the passer on every down. Orakpo is a 3-4 LB, meaning sometimes he backs off in coverage. He put up 10 sacks despite not rushing every down.

Worilds is a fine comparison to make, he actually plays the same position as Orakpo. But you have to remember he lines up next to Lawrence Timmons and right behind Brett Keisel, both of those guys are very active and take a lot of pressure off Worilds. In other words, if you put Orakpo on the Steelers in place of Worilds, and put Worilds on the Redskins in place of Orakpo, the spread in sack numbers would be much larger than 8 vs 10.

Orakpo on the Steelers would still be the guy defenses would have to scheme around, and consequently the whole front seven would improve. It wouldn't look too different from when James Harrison was in his prime. Worilds is OK but nobody fears him.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Jay Gruden's deal with Redskins includes rare five guaranteed years - CBSSports.com

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

Jay Gruden's deal with Redskins includes rare five guaranteed years - CBSSports.com

Lmao didn't shanny get the same??

[donofriose]

Yea he will get basically 4 years to show something in my opinion. Just like Mike.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

Jay Gruden's deal with Redskins includes rare five guaranteed years - CBSSports.com

Poor thinking by JLC. Sure it's a 5-year guarantee but at only $4M per season I still wouldn't view it as a major commitment to Gruden. Gives him security but I'll bet this doesn't even place him in the top half of head coaching salaries per season.

[SmootSmack]

13 NFL HCs make more than $4 million/year

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

13 NFL HCs make more than $4 million/year

OK yeah so barely in top half. Even with a guaranteed 5th year I don't see that as an abnormal commitment in any way.

[SmootSmack]

Most 1st time coaches don't get more than 3 guaranteed years

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

Jay Gruden's deal with Redskins includes rare five guaranteed years - CBSSports.com

Why are we always doing things differently from other teams? For 20 years we've tried to do things our own unique way...and for 20 years we've been losers. Maybe it's time to do things like other teams, such as giving a "normal" contract to a first-time HC.

Oh well.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Don't we already know that?

IMO we likely will overpay for Rak, as it will take some elite money to sign him despite the fact that he has not put up elite numbers. But not to sign him creates a large hole which is very difficult to fill.

Where was that hole during the 7 game win streak when he was out of the lineup?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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Where was that hole during the 7 game win streak when he was out of the lineup?

Aside from the year he was out in 2012, Rak has averaged about 60 tackles and 10 sacks a year.

Rob Jackson had 37 tackles and 4.5 sacks in 16 games in 2012.

So that's a 23 tackle and 5.5 sack difference. It's relatively easy to find someone who will put up Jackson's 4.5 sacks; it is hard to find someone who will put up 10 sacks. That hole.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Why are we always doing things differently from other teams? For 20 years we've tried to do things our own unique way...and for 20 years we've been losers. Maybe it's time to do things like other teams, such as giving a "normal" contract to a first-time HC.

Oh well.

If the Skins give him a 3 yr 12 million contract I guarantee that JLC would have spun it as a sign that DS was going to yank him and that he would be looking over his shoulder every year.

Instead it gets spun as the Skins being an outlier because DS has been a "become a cancer for coaches".

DS just took a 10million dollar bite because Shanahan didn't perform, so it seems to me that he would take an 8-12million bite if it's clear the Skins need to move on, but bottomline, no media will make Gruden or Allen feel insecure regardless of the spin they try to put on it.

And Smoot thanks for the numbers, is there any place where coaching salaries are published like players. I tried spottrac but that didn't seem to have it (i was looking for Garretts which I thought would be public by now)

edit:
NFL Head Coach Contracts & Salaries | The Front Office

this one has a decent list.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If the Skins give him a 3 yr 12 million contract I guarantee that JLC would have spun it as a sign that DS was going to yank him and that he would be looking over his shoulder every year.

Instead it gets spun as the Skins being an outlier because DS has been a "become a cancer for coaches".

DS just took a 10million dollar bite because Shanahan didn't perform, so it seems to me that he would take an 8-12million bite if it's clear the Skins need to move on, but bottomline, no media will make Gruden or Allen feel insecure regardless of the spin they try to put on it.

And Smoot thanks for the numbers, is there any place where coaching salaries are published like players. I tried spottrac but that didn't seem to have it (i was looking for Garretts which I thought would be public by now)

edit:
NFL Head Coach Contracts & Salaries | The Front Office

this one has a decent list.

My friend, I could give a goat's ear what JLC has to say either way.

My point is that we keep reinventing the wheel and then keep finding that our wheel is crappier than others. Seems to me that there is a lesson there.