Ravens at Redskins Post Game Thread (RG3 MRI Result-Sprained Knee)

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Tied for 13th also means they are tied for 16th. Two ways to look at that stat.
Adrian Peterson only got the ball 17 times and rushed for 79 yards for an average of 4.6 yards a carry. They just did not give him the ball enough.

For comparison, Peterson got the ball 17 times against Seattle and went for 182 yard at 10.7 per carry. He got the ball 18 times against Chicago and went for 108 yards at 6.0 per carry.

Of the three teams you mentioned that stuck with the run; the Steelers and Panthers got up on the Redskins early, and the Giants gameplan was to keep Griffin on the sideline, so obviously those teams ran more often. You're kind of cherry picking to make your point, and ignoring the bigger picture. If it was a simple matter of more rushing attempts, couldn't the same logic be applied to RG3, who leads the league in passing YPA? If he'd just drop back and pass 900 times, he'd have close to 6000 yards. Right?

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Truely dominant 3-4 nose tackles aren't exactly easy to find. There's barely a handful currently active in the league, and I would not advocate breaking the bank to bring any of them here.

I'd put Cofield on average to slightly above average. With all of the actual liabilities on this defense, he's probably one of the most likely players to keep his spot going into next season.

true . . . but to find them you have to try . . . look at how dominant Vince Wilfork was last night . . . he was just a beast and ate up 2 - 3 blockers and still batted down passers, made tackles and pressured the QB . . . Thats what we NEED . . . thats what a 3-4 defense NEEDS to be good

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

true . . . but to find them you have to try . . . look at how dominant Vince Wilfork was last night . . . he was just a beast and ate up 2 - 3 blockers and still batted down passers, made tackles and pressured the QB . . . Thats what we NEED . . . thats what a 3-4 defense NEEDS to be good

Cofield is a really good player and our front 3 d-linemen have done a good job against the run before the Ravens game. I think where he lacks as a NT is being able to take up two blockers and collapse the pocket. I hope Baker can develop into that space eating NT.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

For comparison, Peterson got the ball 17 times against Seattle and went for 182 yard at 10.7 per carry. He got the 18 times against Chicago and went for 108 yards at 6.0 per carry.

Of the three teams you mentioned that stuck with the run; the Steelers and Panthers got up on the Redskins early, and the Giants gameplan was to keep Griffin on the sideline, so obviously those teams ran more often. You're kind of cherry picking to make your point, and ignoring the bigger picture. If it was a simple matter of more rushing attempts, couldn't the same logic be applied to RG3, who leads the league in passing YPA? If he'd just drop back and pass 900 times, he'd have close to 6000 yards. Right?

If you want to look at AP look at the games before he played us,
JAX - 17 84 yards (31st run defense)
IND - 16 60 yards (19th run defense)
Tenn 17 88 yards (24th run defense)
DET - 21 109 yards (20th run defense)
WAS - 17 79 yards (7th run defense)

Obviously Peterson picked up his game recently but the beginning of the season he was not running as well as he is now. You made my point, when teams want to run the ball on us and its part of their game plan and they stick to it our run defense has proven not to be that good. I am not saying its the worst run defense in the league but its not a top 10 run defense. What I am saying is the main reason our run defense is a top 10 run defense according to yards is because teams do not try to run the ball on us, they pass the ball because we are so bad against the pass, that does not mean we are good against the run either though.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Cofield is a really good player and our front 3 d-linemen have done a good job against the run before the Ravens game. I think where he lacks as a NT is being able to take up two blockers and collapse the pocket. I hope Baker can develop into that space eating NT.

i agree . . . unfortunately that is the role of a NT in the 3 - 4 . . . to occupy multiple blockers and get push up the middle . . . that's his job . . .

and we have not been good run defense . . . our over run d ranking is due to teams not running against us because our offense scores and its very easy to pass on us . . . look at opposing yards per carry . . . 4.2 . . . that's 15th . . . that's middle of the pack and that's without backs being able to just grind it out and get into a rhythm due to lack of carries . . .

[donofriose]

Garcon on first take.
Garcon Impressed With RG III - ESPN Video - ESPN

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Cofield is a really good player and our front 3 d-linemen have done a good job against the run before the Ravens game. I think where he lacks as a NT is being able to take up two blockers and collapse the pocket. I hope Baker can develop into that space eating NT.

Cofield is having a very good year. He has 2 less sacks than last year but he's doing his job up front. He's also had 1 forced fumble. Has Baker subbed for Cofield at NT at any point this season? When Baker has gotten into games he's played either LE or RE.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Cofield is having a very good year. He has 2 less sacks than last year but he's doing his job up front. He's also had 1 forced fumble. Has Baker subbed for Cofield at NT at any point this season? When Baker has gotten into games he's played either LE or RE.

I never said he's not a good player. Honestly, I think Cofield would be an AMAZING defensive end in our scheme, especially against the run, but he'd also big huge in pass rush.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I never said he's not a good player. Honestly, I think Cofield would be an AMAZING defensive end in our scheme, especially against the run, but he'd also big huge in pass rush.

I didn't say you said he wasn't a good player, Ruskins.

Cofield is not a convential NFL NT. He played at 306 last season and he's up to 318 this season. He played NT @ Northwestern before being drafted by the NYG for his ability to penetrate against the offensive line. Conventional NT or not, Cofield is a great defensive linemen but I don't see him playing any other place along the defensive front except NT.

[redskin29633]

Ton of comments on this thread and admittedly, I have not read them all, so I apologize if this is redundant. The Redskins-Ravens game had everything! Games like this one are the reason why fans so love the NFL. This game will sell tickest to future games, and will improve TV ratings of future games, and sell SundayTicket packages. This Redskin win is why we watch. We want to see our team do something special against playoff caliber teams.

I texted some of my Redskin buddies after the game and told them that this might just be the best regular season NFL game that I have ever seen, or at least remember, since my viewing covers a lot of ground (back to 1955).

When writers recall the current segment of Redskins history in future years, this game will be prominently discussed. The drama was compelling. The Redskins started fast, faded, and then made a dramatic comeback! Mix in the injury to our superstar, his heroic effort to re-enter the game, and then the touch that Redskin fans have loved forever & a day, the backup QB enters to save the day. What a script - Hollywood could not have done better.

A great game, great win, and a great day! What next, Phoenix rises from the ashes? Absolutely!

[Bucket]

Some of you guys who were hating on Garcon should start eating crow now, or later.. It doesn't matter when.

6-1 w/ him in the lineup and he's been scoring. He should of had 2 scores, but they didn't challenge the second one Sunday, and Alfo scored anyhow.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I didn't say you said he wasn't a good player, Ruskins.

Cofield is not a convential NFL NT. He played at 306 last season and he's up to 318 this season. He played NT @ Northwestern before being drafted by the NYG for his ability to penetrate against the offensive line. Conventional NT or not, Cofield is a great defensive linemen but I don't see him playing any other place along the defensive front except NT.

You should watch more games, and stop listening or reading all these blogs that talk about Coefield not being "conventional" at the NT position. He's been there for a while now, and he's one of our solid defensive players we actually have at the moment. He had a great game yesterday, and is at on par with some of the greats? No, but we can't have Hall of Fame'rs at every position.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

With Jenkins injury he probably shouldn't be expected to be back to his old form till next year. It takes a year to recover, give or take. He is improving now which makes me think he just needed a little more time to regain his strength and quickness. Next year, look out. Unfortunately, Carriker and Neild may be in that boat next year.

That's what I'm hoping with Jenkins, and I see improvement too. He showed some real burst and agility a few times against Baltimore.

Keeping with the oline I noticed Kerrigan playing DE a few downs the last two weeks maybe...? Can't remember seeing that before?

Anyway, I think Kerrigan can play either position.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

With Jenkins injury he probably shouldn't be expected to be back to his old form till next year. It takes a year to recover, give or take. He is improving now which makes me think he just needed a little more time to regain his strength and quickness. Next year, look out. Unfortunately, Carriker and Neild may be in that boat next year.

i know every athlete is different, and i hope jenkins shows improvement, but look at adrian peterson.

jenkins did his in preseason
peterson did his in december?

[MTK]

AP is a freak, he's also not carrying around a ton of extra weight like Jenkins.