The Gibbs Hypocrisy!

[STPainmaker]

LOL but I think people should chill abit. Everyone is upset but if Joe Gibbs told me that he thought player A was better than player B in his offense, with his other players I would believe it.
Everyone is however entitled to their own opinion, but we are all just speculating because neither of these guys has really outperformed the other.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by steveo395

cuz brunell sucks and hes the starter when ramsey was better and he got benched
hes being a hipocrite because no one is aloud to suck except brunell

Your'e killing me with your spelling errors. Take your time and spell correctly so I can understand your point.

[jgalecpa]

Okay, First time Poster here.

Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt.

This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game.

Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window.

Schroeder fans were livid.

Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down.

You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl.

My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong.

I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills.

He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed.

Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey.

Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left.

If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9.

Just my two cents.

[Big Oh]

Originally Posted by offiss

I know this is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way so I will offer an apology to those who take offense, other than that to bad!

Gibbs states that we can't turn the ball over, and he wont tolerate it, Brunell 2004 9 TO's in 9 games. 2 of which directly lost us 2 games.

Gibbs now states that basically Brunells hamstring was the reason why he was as incompetent as he was last season, [maybe the worst QBing we have ever seen] yet he played his best game of the year 1 week after his supposed injury against dallas, and now we here all about his big time hammy.

Gibbs promises Brunell the starters position and gives him 9 games to play himself out of the starters position, given the fact that Brunell is a very experinced veteran who shouldn't need the same kind of a learning curve as let's say a young QB like Ramsey.

Ramsey is promised the starters job, after 1 early INT in his first regular season game with his new recieving corps he begins to move the ball up and down the field, at which point after 19 minutes Gibbs say's he's seen enough and has to go back to the teachers pet before Ramsey possibly does something to prevent him from getting Brunell back to starters status, so he doesn't look like an absolute incompetent fool for making that deal to get Brunell here in the first place. We cannot gloss over the fact that Gibbs cost his employer 42 million dollars, couple that with a system back like Portis for another 50 mil. that sure would motivate me to try and force a square peg through a round hole, imagine having to tell your employer you just cost them almost 100 mil and it's not working. And so long as Ramsey starts, thats what's being said.

Gibbs makes the move, which is probably the first I can remember a QB who is moving the ball, and if not for a lousy call would have just directed a TD drive, yanked, usually a QB is lifted because he can't move the ball, [unless your last name is Brunell] but the switch is made AFTER 1 QUARTER OF THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON, then to watch Brunell in almost 3 quarters of play muster up 3 field goals, and 70 yards of passing, and say this is my starter.

Somewhere Bobby Beathard is shaking his head.

NUFF SAID!!!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, First time Poster here.

Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt.

This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game.

Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window.

Schroeder fans were livid.

Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down.

You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl.

My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong.

I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills.

He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed.

Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey.

Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left.

If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9.

Just my two cents.

dallas miami and the bears have all made offers over his career here even though he never actually sought a trade. If we dumped him, he'd have people bid for him, and there's enough bad teams that i'm sure he could even find a starting job in some places because he's still fairly young... (clev, bal, ari, etc)

other than that, welcome to the board, nice post

[overthehillgang]

With Brunell (the cannon) leading us Monday night, John Hall's thigh could become very big if he is not 100%. We need at least 5 field goals to beat them.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by offiss

Really, and here I thought it was the regular season that count's, we all saw what happened last year, apparently Brunell beat out Ramsey in the pre-season, then what? Well anyone who watched the games knows what happened, Brunell proceded to play the QB position about as bad as anyone has ever seen, against inferior competition, Ramsey comes in against Pitt, Phila twice, minnesota, 4 of his 6 games go against playoff teams, and 3 of those games against the best defenses in the NFL, and a lose to dallas that if Gibbs didn't go into his conservative shell on our last series and allow dallas another shot at us we would have won.

So I am very curious about pre season evaluation, obviously Gibbs didn't have a clue about evaluating Brunell last season, what makes you think when he was so far off then that he's got it right now?

As far as promises go there are promises, like giving a player a chance to prove himself, Gibbs sure stuck by his word for Brunell last season, and he was as horrible as I have ever seen, Ramsey gets 19 minutes and just finished what should have been a TD drive and that's all folks!


Bottom line for all the Brunell fans out there, 70 yds passing in almost 3 quarters, there's your sharpshooter in a nut shell!

And correction, all of what I have said is my opinion!

I am not a Brunell fan, I am a Joe Gibbs fan. All I care about is the redskins winning. Gibbs obviously doesn't think Ramsey can play. I had high hopes for Ramsey, so it's dissapointing. I just think Gibbs knows who can play QB in his offense better than I do.

Professional football is a harsh business. Ramsey may have been named the starter, but there were no promises made as to how long he would hold it.

[skinsfan0201]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, First time Poster here.

Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt.

This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game.

Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window.

Schroeder fans were livid.

Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down.

You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl.

My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong.

I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills.

He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed.

Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey.

Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left.

If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9.

Just my two cents.

You would endure 8 more weeks of Brunell not producing this year? You are much kinder and gentler person than I am. Ha Ha!!!!!

[illdefined]

you're all conveniently forgetting Brunell was the worst QB in the NFL last year over a couple good showings in preseason games (and dismissing Ramsey's wins with the same exact team last season).

you can't ever call Philly fans bad, you're just as what-have-you-done-for-me-lately.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, First time Poster here.

Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt.

This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game.

Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window.

Schroeder fans were livid.

Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down.

You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl.

My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong.

I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills.

He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed.

Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey.

Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left.

If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9.

Just my two cents.

Welcome JG, I go way back to the early George Allen day's, and remember the Schroeder situation well, [by the way he was traded to the raiders not san diego] Schroeder was becoming stagnet on offense he pretty much ran his coarse with us and wasen't progressing to the next level as a QB, the question wasen't so much about replacing Jay, as much as it was can Williams get the job done? Gibbs went back and forth a couple of times early when Jay was hurt, and Williams to his credit was doing a better job, there wasen't a big difference performance wise between the 2 but Williams was getting the better of it, but the bottom line is we really can't find a situation where Gibbs didn't give his starter a real chance to prove himself until Ramsey, a lot of people want to judge the pre-season and anoint Brunell, but remember during 2 of our SB years we won a combined 1 game in the pre-season, how good do you think our QB's looked? How good did Theisman look when we started off the 82 season 0-6, After going 0-5 in the pre-season? Bottom line until this scenerio plays itself out we will all continue to agree to disagree, I just feel regardless that Ramsey really has been given a raw deal.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by jgalecpa

Okay, First time Poster here.

Don't know how far back some of you go, but do you remember Jay Schroeder. He was the starter and got hurt.

This was the season after Schroeder got ShellShocked in the loss to the Giants NFC Championship game.

Gibbs had a "rule" supposedly that you didn't lose your job due to injury. When Doug Williams came in and caught fire, the rule was out the window.

Schroeder fans were livid.

Then we won the super bowl, and they quieted down.

You may remember the last anyone really saw of old Jay was when we traded him to San Diego for one Jim (?) Lachey, who was really responsible (IMHO) for us winning the next super bowl.

My extended point here is that Joe is smart enough to admit (to himself at least) when he was wrong.

I am no Brunell fan, but I feel Ramsey looks like a fourth year rookie with no leadership skills.

He looks so worried about the INT he's holding the ball too long and making poor choices. He just wasn't maturing, not al least at NFL speed.

Brunell is clearly not the QB of the future, but neither was Ramsey.

Apparently, no other teams think so since you haven't heard any other interest in him if he left.

If Brunell takes us no where, put the rookie in around week 9.

Just my two cents.

Just to clarify Schroeder was traded to the Raiders, not the Chargers. Later Stan Humphries ended up with the Chargers, whom he led to a Superbowl, which they lost, I believe to the 49ers.

[Hog1]

NOUN:
pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
An act or instance of such falseness.

The thing I am not sure of, was it Gibb's or PR who shot JFK?

[joethiesmanfan]

Brunell sucks and Ramsey sucks we got a rookie we are trying to get by until we see if the rook sucks.. thats all, if Ramsey was so good he would be good by now not only is he not good he is a turnover machine. Brunnell is a bubble gum armed Gibbs pick up. Ramsey looks like a deer in the headlights, Brunnell looks like a has been. Ramsey holds the ball and cant throw accurate at all.. Brunnell's mind knows where he wants to go with the ball but his body cant do it. I am sorry fellas but i have given up on Ramsey and Brunnell....No need to argue. just if our o-line can protect Brunnell a little bit he wont turn it over. did you see that play when Gibbs tried to roll Ramsey out the pocket.. the Bears fans at the bar laughed their asses off. its obvious to everyone Ramsey sucks.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by illdefined

its not about Brunell? its about anybody who's next because those 20 minutes were so horrid? and when Brunell gets his first turnover, does it go to Campbell? Ramsey? probably not huh. Gibbs has his favorites, there's no denying it.

Do you really think Gibbs decison was based on just the 20 minutes of game 1? Even during 2004 summer (offseason) Gibbs watched all of the film of Ramsey and he still brought in Brunell. He saw the same things I see in Ramsey, he really was not very then and is still not good right now. Why is that so hard to accept?
Go ahead and keep on blaming Gibbs and Brunell. The truth is it is ultimatley Ramsey fault for not improving his game.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Yes - were in the playoffs if had hung on to beat the Cowboys and knowing we had beat the Vikings the following week. That was fact. That was all we had to do to make the playoffs.

The FACT is we did not make the playoffs.

The only reason we were still mathematically and remotely still in the playoff race is most of the NFC sucks and the AFC was beating up on NFC teams. Last year other than Philly, there was no other legit superbowl winning contender.